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Title: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle? ID = Degenhart, Crystal Art Company, Ohio
Post by: glasskillian on December 01, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
The only things ive found close to this type of paperweight have been described as whitefriars or perthshire type ink bottle paperweights id love to know when or where these might have been made. This one is very heavy has lots of colour and is 8" tall the stopper has been busted in too at some time and restuck i guess it was sentimental the inside says william too mother with some floral sprays. Any information would be lovely.Thanks for looking.
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: Frank on December 01, 2012, 07:02:42 PM
Neither of the above.... can you add more views, stopper on its own, base at angle, base square on top down... anything that shows more detail. close up of break on stopper too
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: glasskillian on December 02, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Hope these are a little bit more clear showing a better representation of the piece.
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: glasskillian on December 02, 2012, 12:37:25 PM
more pictures
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: KevinH on December 02, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
I have not seen a bottle like it.

But from the decorative motifs and techniques I would say this is most likely mainland Europe, first part of 20th century, and might be from Lauscha, Thuringia. Another possibility, but perhaps less likely, is Val St Lambert, Belgium.
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: Frank on December 02, 2012, 07:42:12 PM
In the first picture the stopper break looks to be at 45 degrees  or is that an effect of the design? But in the later another break appears to be horizontal and below the widest part. In that picture the 45 degree feature looks to be separating a different colour of glass. Can you clarify... just puzzled
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on December 03, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
In the 3rd picture there appears to be a word, something like Millenium?  If so, is modern Chinese an option?
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: Frank on December 03, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
You did not read the text  ;)

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william too mother
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on December 03, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
too or to?  If it is too, doesn't that suggest someone who doesn't have English as their first language?
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: glasskillian on December 03, 2012, 06:39:58 PM
 :) Here goes try again English first language spelling bottom of class.
The stopper has been broken in two maybe three parts and appears to be held together with an animal type glue which is darkish brown colour.It weighs 1.6kg and reads william to mother inside.
The bottle inside is only 7cm deep, Although the bottle is 14cm tall. The rest is just a solid block of glass firstly containing a crystalized layer of yellow chips of glass and frothy bubbles. Then a plate of white glass? with the wording and folliage in green lying on a bed of multi coloured glass pieces then a space of 2cm and a layer of what appears to be ruby glass droplets.
Please note the wear on the base must be at least victorian reminds me of victorian glass dumps, Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: tropdevin on December 04, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
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I would not rule out immigrant European workers making this item in one of the many US Mid West glass factories in the late 1800s - mid 1900s.  I have seen fairly similar design paperweights from that region.

Alan
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: paperweights on December 08, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
This is made by John or Charles Degenhart of Crystal Art Glass Company, Cambridge, Ohio (USA).  The style is distinctive with a name or saying on a white plaque with four icepick flowers near the edges of the plaque.  Sometimes there is a frit ground layer at the same level as the plaque.  Most had a distinctive blue outline at the border of the plaque.  John made paperweights from about 1946-1964 and they could be ordered and personalized with any name or saying desired.  Gearshift knobs were also made in this style.  Bottles were somewhat rarer. 

Read about the Degenharts at:  http://paperweights.com/degenhart.htm (http://paperweights.com/degenhart.htm)

See the example below:

http://paperweights.com/pw2237.jpg (http://paperweights.com/pw2237.jpg)
Title: Re: Perthshire or Whitefriars Ink Bottle Paperweight????
Post by: glasskillian on December 11, 2012, 09:41:44 AM
Sorted without dout that is what it is im learning something new every day Thankyou very much ;)