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Title: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 07, 2012, 08:36:57 PM
I've worked out from Alan's site that I think this is a Murano weight, but unidentified maker? I just wondered when it might date to please.
It's 2" tall by 2 1/2" wide and has multicoloured frit in the bottom and a flat polished base.  It seems to have millions of tiny bubbles in it bu these are greatly magnified as I took the pic of it in a bowl of water.

Thank you for looking.
m
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: tropdevin on August 07, 2012, 09:26:21 PM
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Hi.

I think the style of the canes indicates 1950s - 1970s:  but this is not a precise science at the moment! Others may have different views.

Alan
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 07, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
Thank you
m
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 08, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Just adding a base shot.  The frit is right at the base with the millefiori laid on top in a raised mound finishing about half way up the weight.  The colours of this frit always remind me of Bohemian art deco glass colours.  Especially the blues and the maroon colours.
m
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: Alsretro on August 08, 2012, 12:25:20 PM
I've got a similar(ish) weight here and it also has a polished flat base, measures 2 5/8ins across x 2 1/4ins high, has "millions of tiny bubbles in it" although only some show up in the picture - loads of other tiny ones. Managed to get a decent picture of the canes (I think) although I've fuzzied its label. The label reads "La Serranissima Murano Made in Italy." Maybe this will be a clue for you.
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 08, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
Thank you - that's very kind of you to post the pics  :)
I'm afraid I'm not at all au fait with whether or not they are the same maker or time period, but there are certainly similarities between them.
m
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: Alsretro on August 08, 2012, 07:50:01 PM
...and thank you for the "bowl of water" handy hint although doubt photographing this one with its label in such a manner would be very wise. Hope you get more clues.
Alastair
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: TxSilver on August 09, 2012, 02:59:50 AM
Alan's estimated date is as close as I can get, as well. Your pw looks like ones that are thought to be made by AVeM. The canes look right for them.
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 09, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
Thank you Anita :)
Al, I found the hint of photographing in water on here - I find it much easier to see anything in my paperweights if I do that and then put them on screen to view.
m
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on August 09, 2012, 04:07:16 PM
Alsretro's paperweight looks like Fratelli Toso.
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: TxSilver on August 09, 2012, 04:13:37 PM
Alsretro's paperweight looks like Fratelli Toso.

It is very similar to the old FT style. If it weren't for the label and the bottom, I would have guessed FT. The flower canes aren't ones that I've seen for FT, though.
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: Alsretro on August 09, 2012, 06:42:17 PM
Whoops as conversation turning to my paperweight which right enough, has what looks to me like the same cane as is in this weight (the cane with a central blue spot, inside 3 wavy/ serrated rings in a yellow casing) http://www.pwts.co.uk/images%20-Murano/ACaudle/FTosoMillePWTIrreg.jpg (http://www.pwts.co.uk/images%20-Murano/ACaudle/FTosoMillePWTIrreg.jpg)
Maybe this topic could/ should be split.
...and thanks to the suggested link to Fratelli Toso now found one that's been sitting here for a while is a FT fish amongst seaweed aquarium type weight.  ;D
Alastair
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: KevinH on August 09, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
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... Maybe this topic could/ should be split.
I think it is useful to have the two weights in the same thread for comparison purposes.

The cane that Alsreto has pointed out as a match betwen his weight and the one on the pwts.co.uk site is not actually the same. In Alsreto's weight the cane has 12 cogs for the inner section, and 16 for each of the two outer sections. In the weight on the pwts site, there are two similar looking canes (albeit with a different colour inner ring); one has 12 cogs for each of the three "rings" and the other has 12 for the two inner and 20 for the outer.

This is a good example of what can appear at first sight to be the same cane but which proves to be different when the details are examined. And the same is true of the overall look of the weights. Without a label, it would be difficult to say that any of the weights like these were not all Fratelli Toso, or AVeM, or even "La Serranissima" (a name I have not heard of before).

Also, my understanding is that on Murano not all glasshouses made millefiori canes, but that many used canes made by the houses that did make them. And in some cases, the overall look and style of a weight cane be very similar amongst various makers. This adds to the problem of identifying a specific Murano maker.
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: flying free on August 10, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
That's very interesting Kev and it explains why it is so difficult to identify these without any label or mark.  Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Murano millefiori weight? but what date please?
Post by: Alsretro on August 11, 2012, 06:15:13 PM
I should have said similar or similarish and yes, thanks Kev for comparing these canes as you did.
Better picture here of the La Serenissima label for reference or whatever anyone wants to do with it.
Alastair