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Title: Pressed glass bowl RD 826847 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 01, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
Large, heavy, clear pressed glass bowl, RD 826817.  25.5cm high x 20cm top rim diameter.

RD 826817 should have been allocated some time in March 1938, but not in list at
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/regnos10.htm

Is it in the Blue Book? If so, can someone tell be the precise registration date and the registrant, please?

(Permission for re-use of these images on GMB granted by arthur5648).

Mod: title updated to reflect correct RD no.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on November 01, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
appears not to be in the Blue Book either - possibly another class IV item maybe.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on November 01, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
I've looked at the Kew records, but can't get down to individual registrations, so no help.        Unless someone knows the answer, this seems to require a visit to TNA
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 02, 2012, 09:24:47 AM
Thank you, Paul.

Seems that that most of these 'non-Blue Book' RD numbers occur in the 1930s and 1940s - perhaps registrations were delegated to a poorly supervised junior on work experience.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on November 02, 2012, 02:20:34 PM
I may well have the opportunity to visit Kew early next week, and take pix etc., and will post details assuming I find this item.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on November 06, 2012, 12:46:20 PM
the Kew records for 826817 refer to a metal buckle, catalogued as CLASS 1, metal  (and with suitable pic.) - so would seem to indicate that something wrong.         Is it possible that the No. has been mis-read??
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 06, 2012, 03:11:18 PM
Thank you very much for all your efforts, Paul.

I have emailed the bowl's owner (quoting your response) asking for confirmation of the RD number, and also for photos of the number if possible.

Will advise of his reply in due course.

Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 06, 2012, 07:31:25 PM
Reply from owner:
"The registered number is very difficult to read and I can't get a decent picture. I have checked it again and the first four digits are definately 8268 and the last one is 7 but the fifth number is not clear and could possibly be a 4 but I can't make anything out beyond that."
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Anne on November 06, 2012, 09:46:56 PM
826847 is a possible, which was registered by Hoskins Rose on 11.3.1938, 1 and 4 are easily mis-read on RD numbers.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 06, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Thank you, Anne.

It's well known that Hoskins, Rose & co. registered designs for Libochovice, and certainly the vertically-ribbed border on the bowl is a characteristic of other Libochovice pieces. I've trawled through the Newhall CD-ROM Libochovice catalogues already, but I'll try again with more diligence to see if I can find a pattern match.
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on November 06, 2012, 10:10:12 PM
tis true that poorly pressed digits can mislead - I've had problems in the past with decyphering Rd. Nos. that have been feint, and looks as though Anne's suggestion may possibly be correct.                      This will now have to await my next visit to Kew, so watch this space. :)
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on December 14, 2012, 03:17:14 PM
As suggested by Anne, this registration is confirmed in TNA records at Kew as 826847 dated 11th March 1938  -  and some additional images now attached.

These pix are taken from the Representations (that part of the records that deals with images only).           Regrettably, there is no available data that can be supplied from the Register (that part of the record that provides text information)  -  it seem that either The Board of Trade, or (during the course of transfer The National Archives themselves) have mislaid one entire Register which covers this part of 1938 (Rd. Nos. 824445 - 929999).
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: Paul S. on December 14, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
had meant to say that the subject heading should now be changed to correspond to the correct Rd. No. of 826847. :)
Title: Re: Pressed glass bowl RD 826817 registration details, please?
Post by: agincourt17 on December 14, 2012, 05:10:21 PM
Thak you for your diligence once again, Paul.

I agree that the header should be changed to include the correct registration number.