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Title: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 03:41:27 PM
Finally got round to creating a new web album of Mdina glass, please enjoy new pics.

Hopefully, update with other areas in near future.

Any inaccuracies spotted please let me know.

https://picasaweb.google.com/114212950044348042742/MdinaGlass?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiUq5uRppO8eA



Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 28, 2012, 04:00:24 PM
No inaccuracies, Greg, but you're a bad boy - you're the only other person I know of who has 2 massive Rosenthal decanters and a small one (I do too) BUT you've got a stopper on your small one!
I don't. S'not fair. You're outdoing me.
I've had to put up with John outdoing me a lot recently, now you.  :cry: :cry: :cry:

(But I've got 2 two-tone massive strapped bottles, na-na-ne-na-na  >:D )

S'not new Mdina either.  :P (as per your title) It's all pretty old stuff!

Thanks so much for showing it! :ghug:
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
  :hi: Sue, The small Rosenthal Decanter is sadly the damaged one I posted on here a while back, a rather large chunk has been glued back around the neck/top rim. The stopper fits pretty badly on the small one too, worse than usual, probably, what helped cause the damage to it in the first place.

The two-tone strapped bottles sound interesting, I haven't encountered any of those to date. :cry:

Spent most of the day taking photos, no wonder I've started running out of shelf space! Hope to take a few other pictures soon for different albums, although I think I'm beginning to get RSI from using the camera!

 :)
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 28, 2012, 04:41:40 PM
You have a two-tone strapped attenuated bottle!
https://picasaweb.google.com/114212950044348042742/MdinaGlass?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiUq5uRppO8eA#5714203846146834434

(Sorry, calling them "two-tones" is my word for them. I have a thing about the Two Tone record label, and it seemed appropriate to me - fabulous glass "named" after fabulous music).

I know these are post-Harris, and only progressions of his designs, but they're fantastic, majestic pieces of glass.

Sorry to hear about the damage - but it still displays really well.  :thup:
When it comes to early Mdina, sometimes you just have to tolerate a bit of damage. You're unlikely to find another "perfect" one.
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 05:26:45 PM
ah, the strapped attenuated bottle! - They are indeed super things, there was one very similar to mine at Cambridge, which Danny Walker had for sale, although his one was signed by Michael Harris.

Its true about tolerating the damage on some Mdina, some bits just don't come around that often if at all.
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 28, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
Danny? Did he?
Signed by MH?????????

Cats among birdies time again!

I have kept my eyes peeled for these for a long time, they don't turn up too often. They are mostly signed and dated. They also tend to have a whole load of damage to the strapping.
I have ONLY ever seen ones with Said's or Dobson's signatures, and I have NEVER seen one dated before '74...

I have always assumed these are not an MH design, but probably Dobson.  :spls:
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
The bottle and the signature looked 100% right, (very fine neat and tight script) just that the price was beyond my budget! Perhaps they started being produced just before Harris departed..?
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: glassobsessed on February 28, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
When it comes to Mdina, both of us have a way to go to even begin to 'out do' you Sue, don't forget it took days and days and then some more days to photograph all of yours....

Some really fabulous bits there Greg, but you already know I am fluorescent green.

A damaged bit is so much better than no bit!

I now have three Tricorn bottles :-[ one has a big lump out of the button rim as well as a couple of huge lumps of frit one of which has associated annealing cracks but it is still my favourite.

Some of the big strapped bottles were made in 72 (perhaps a bit earlier), they are shown in that catalogue photo for the American market - was it the Dexam catalogue or some such name?

John


What was the asking price Greg?
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 05:58:31 PM
Thanks John.

I suppose damaged Glass is better than no glass!

I nearly missed the Harris signed trailed attenuated bottle, it was up high on a shelf on Danny Walkers stand. He had £800 on it.

 :)
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 28, 2012, 06:00:56 PM
I think I might have to re-attribute these, because of this info, Greg.

Because of never having seen one pre-'74, I had had to assume Dobson.

I'm also very fond of this design in the "Helter-skelter" shape, with a very big caveat - they HAVE to be the ones with tons of "stuff" going on in them and loads of iridesence on the outside.

There are a few things loosely based on this design, such as top hat shaped objects, but they do NOT have the busyness or anything interesting happening at all. Quite dull and boring. I have assumed these are post-Dobson.

I reckon it would have been over my budget too, Greg.
I prefer "unsigned" bits. Far more affordable.

(John's presence has now been noted   :hi: )

Wasn't there something about all the bits for the american market having to be signed? And perhaps if these all went over the pond, that might explain the scarcity on this side?

Certainly, most of the massive Rosenthal bottles I've encountered have been in the states. One of mine came from America. (back in the days when I could afford to get things shipped over and pay the tax as well as the bid price..... :cry:)

Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
In a strange way, I was also hoping that it was unsigned and thus more affordable!

Interesting point about signed pieces going to the American market, I don't know if this applied to some pieces exported to other countries. I know the signed bottle Danny Walker had came from Germany.
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: glassobsessed on February 28, 2012, 06:22:38 PM
If you want a copy of that catalogue photo Gregg email me, you have one don't you Sue? I can not post it here - copyright and all that stuff.

800 :o , seems a lot but who knows these days?

After a while (year or so) some stuff for America was signed 'Mdina' - with a diamond point engraver not a dremmel.

John
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 28, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
I'll check the recesses of my pc, I do have a pic of pages with ink bottles on them. But I should have noticed if these "two tones" were there..
PS. Gregg is a cake shop. :P

I'm sort of resigned to these being around the £200 mark with a Said pawmark.
On the other hand, the Studio has some...... interesting (as in "eeeeeeeek!") prices on their Mdina archive pieces.
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: glassobsessed on February 28, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
Good point Sue, sorry Greg. In mitigation I have a friend who now lives in Oz, he spells Gregg with two gs. ;D
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 28, 2012, 07:03:51 PM
No worries John.   :) As it happens I have been known to frequent Greggs the cake shop on the odd occasion!

Do you have a full copy of the Dexam catalogue..? Just wondered how comprehensive it was..?
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: glassobsessed on February 28, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
The photo I have is of one page that was reproduced in a glass book, it shows the shapes and colourways that were imported and available in America in 1972. Suzy sent it to me I think, not sure where she got it from or which book it was.

John
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: flying free on February 28, 2012, 08:29:05 PM
ooh there are some gorgeous pieces there  :o :mrgreen: I love the charger and the ochre globe with the orange swirl.  Lovely.
m
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 29, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
I've been digging. Very deep - found 3 pics in a sub-sub-album.
I'll send you them, Greg. When I can dig out your email address from the recesses of my in-box!
Title: Re: New Mdina Pictures
Post by: Greg. on February 29, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
Thanks Sue, received the Pics, very handy indeed.  :thup:

Thanks for your comments too M.  :)