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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: SophieB on October 31, 2009, 10:11:06 PM
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I own a whitefriars paperweight model PB300 (the nice bouquet millefiori) on a light blue ground with a 1977 signature cane. I am sure that I read somewhere that this model was not a limited edition. However, my weight has a number engraved on the underside (108). Can anyone tell me what this number means? I am curious.
I did not post a picture of it but if it helps I will do so.
SophieB
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Hi
A photograph would be useful, but is it possible that this is one of the Smithsonian Institute weights which was a limited edition of 200 produced in 1977
I have not got one in my collection but there are pictures in the books.
Another thought is that someone has converted an "S" to "108". >:D
Roy
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Many thanks for the speedy reply, Roy. I will try and post pictures tomorrow.
Actually I did not even know that there were Whitefriars seconds out there (I have never seen one before but my experience/knowledge is very limited to say the least).
SophieB
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Hi Roy,
Here are the pictures. When I took them, I realised that the number may well be 106 rather than 108. However, I suppose that it makes little difference.
Please tell me what you think. In any event, I think that it is a truly lovely weight.
SophieB
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Hi Sophie
Having checked my weights, I find that I do have a similar weight to yours.
My weight is also on a blue ground but with a red rose in the centre and is dated 1979 and without the number.
Forget about my thoughts of an "S" weight being changed that is obviously a correct 106 engraving.
I can't find the info on the Smithsonian weight at the moment but I will keep looking
It may have been an Ebay sale which I failed to get !!!
Roy
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Hi i believe thats the Whitefriars Clichy rose Brian Slingsby and Ray Anneberg are the people for more info on that
as Ray was the cane maker and Brian the technical manager , i think they will both be at Birmingham National Glass Fair Sunday nov15th . Brian made a nice video or rare canes and weights .
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Hi Ray,
Hi John,
Many thanks for your messages.
To John:
This is good to know. I was intending to go to the Birmingham Glass Fair anyway. I will try and show the weight to either Ray Annenberg or Brian Slingsby if they are there. I will report the answer to this thread.
To Roy:
Hum, yes, it was an Ebay sale... I had been looking for (i.e. lusting after) this weight since I started collecting.
Anyway, some you win, some you loose ;D
SophieB
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Hi Sophie
Did your weight come from the US??
The video sounds interesting as I have nearly all the Whitefriars weights and most of the canes.
I wonder how one gets a copy?
Roy
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Talk sweet to Brian you could not find a nicer man . :thup:
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Roy,
Yes, my weight comes from the US (so it would tie in with your Smithsonian theory). It looks as if I did beat you to it >:D. In my excuse, this is my ONLY whitefriars paperweight. So, you cannot begrudged me this single weight :angel:
If you wish, I will ask Brian Slingsby about the video at the glass fair.
SophieB
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That would be very nice of you. I have been helping Brian prepare a photographic record of Whitefriars weights for the Northern Paperweight Group
Roy
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Will do.
SophieB
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Sophie
Roy's recollection is quite correct (and might arise from an eBay item that we duelled over late in 2006.)
Your's is one of a limited edition of 200 "..hand made in full English crystal by the craftsmen of Whitefriars for the Smithsonian Institution in 1977" The certificate accompanying the one shown below (#85) [**] attributes the design to Geoffrey Baxter.
It is indeed a beautiful example of the style. Enjoy it!!
[**] Mod: Images removed as they were eBay photos used, inadvertently, without permission.
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Peter,
Many thanks for all this.
I now know for sure what my weight is. And I agree wholeheartedly that it is a beautiful weight.
And I am also relieved that the record is put straight: Roy and I did not fight over my weight after all. ;)
Thanks again,
SophieB
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Hi Peter
Well done with your input, I knew I had seen it somewhere and had forgotten your disgaceful behavior in outbidding me for the weight!!!
Best wishes
Roy
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Roy
I knew there was risk in reviving your recollection of the incident. Friendship jeopardised for the sake of ~$1 in bids: not worth it! Mind you, I haven't forfeited the weight have I? ;)
Warm regards.
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Hi
I still have this one which is very similar but 1979
I also just noticed mine is faceted, the Smithsonian is not
Regards
Roy
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Nice indeed, Roy!
The faceting frames the bouquet beautifully and the pink rose is very attractive.
Oh dear! that's another for the 'to find' list.
Cheers
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Hi Peter,
I am about to write a (small) piece regarding the identification of modern weights for the PCC bulletin and I would like to use some of your pictures (mainly the last one as I do not own that all informative card for my weight). Would you give me permission to use it?
Many thanks.
Sophie
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Hi Sophie
Those images are from the original eBay listing (Dec '06) and therefore usage rights aren't mine to assign. [Mod: in accordance with Board Guidelines - and Peter's acknowledgement - those images have been removed.] If you want to contact the seller send me an email (email removed) and I'll pass on their email address. Alternatively, I'd be happy to re-photograph what you need and send new images, which I'm very happy for you to use.
Good luck with the article.
Regards
Peter
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Eeeeeek, Peter - don't put your email address in type, you'll get phished! If you must use something else instead of the @ bit, put extra spaces in.....
better still, put it in your profile - then a little envelope will appear which will take folk to your email address.
I'm going to ask a moderator to fix this just now.
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Peter, see the note above.
Sue, thanks! :hug:
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Hi Peter,
I have just emailed you with a request for one picture. I hope that you do not mind.
Thanks again.
Sophie
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Thanks, Sue for the warning and Cathy for the remedy.
Cheers.
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And to ensure a happy ending to the thread ;) ... Sophie's picture is on its way.