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Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 06, 2006, 01:01:28 AM
Cathy, or anyone else. I originally purchased this blue glass sugar bowl, thinking it was Crown Crystals Blocked Arches. Now I am having second thought.  :?
I have a terrible time trying to compare some things, if say, I am trying to compare a Blocked Arches sugar bowl with a Blocked Arches salad bowl.      It seems in most cases I  have to have 2 of the same items.
All opinions  are very much welcomed,to un-confuse this poor glass dummy. :oops:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4307
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Cathy B on December 06, 2006, 02:05:51 AM
Hi Julie,

Pretty sure it's not CC. As far as I'm aware, the block and arches only came in the water set (Glen, if you know better, do say). #836 is a similar pattern, but it's not that either, as the blocks on your piece are raised out from the pattern, the finial is wrong and the blue is not a CC blue.

Is that base mirror polished? I'm sure I've seen a pattern like that - Walther 'Mary'? Was it one in Glens' Czech Special (which I can't find)?? Over to Glen and Pamela.

Cathy
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 06, 2006, 03:15:11 AM
Hi Cathy, thanks for confirming my suspicions.Once I got it home, I then decided it wasn't CC, and then I tried searching for a match.Ended up throwing my arms in the air and gave up .I just couldn't work it  out.I just seemed to confuse myself more  :lol:
I hope someone can shed some light on it.
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 06, 2006, 05:34:47 AM
Could it be Jacobean pattern?  Inwald or Davidson?   :?
Just trying to eliminate my searching.This has got me going balmy  :roll: LOL.Who would think such a simple pattern could get me all confused :lol:
Julie
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Cathy B on December 06, 2006, 05:56:07 AM
No, it's not Jacobean either, for the same reason - there's that separation between the square patterns, a 'valley' for want of a better way of describing it. The worst thing is, I'm sure I've seen a vase in that pattern in one of the catalogues but I can't find it for the life of me.

Pamela and Glen will know, if anyone does :)

Don't worry about the problem of simple patterns: they're the worst, because everyone did similar things.
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 06, 2006, 06:09:24 AM
Thanks once again Cathy.Ok CC  and Jacobean has been eliminated That helps, as I keep gong back to the Jacobean pattern and tryng my hardest to match it. On the Ebay chat someone suggested Hazel Atlas, but another said not USA.
I think for my own sanity, I will put this out of sight for a day.It has been sitting on my desk here for a few weeks now. I was so determined to work it out all on my own.
I'll wait and see what Glen and Pamela have to say about it.
Cathy, could you be thinking of Walther Edna?  ..maybe not..think thats different (just thinking out aloud as I type )
Julie..walking way from the sugar bowl and letting my brain reboot , then maybe I should defrag as well  :lol:
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Sklounion on December 06, 2006, 07:04:42 AM
The pattern from Walther that most closely resembles this is "Lady",
and it is understandable why you might have thought "Lord/Jacobean", the principal difference being, as Cathy says, the "valleys" between the panels on your piece. Sadly this particular item I could not find, in the catalogue, as only page 1 of three referring to "Lady" was accessible.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Glen on December 06, 2006, 09:34:46 PM
Hi Julie - well it's much easier to tell you what it isn't  :roll: I wish it wasn't so  :oops:

It isn't Inwald's Jacobean, and it isn't Walther's / Bernsdorf's Lady.

I can't see it in the Rindskopf, Hortensja, STS, Brockwitz etc., etc., pattern books.

But I DO know another piece that it is like. The block pattern, and the manner in which they interlock, is (I believe) identical to that on the King James (Carnival Glass) vase. I have not yet been able to attribute that pattern. But at least we now know that the maker used a light blue glass for it, as well.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/KingJames.html

Glen
Title: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Cathy B on December 06, 2006, 10:35:51 PM
Thanks Glen - I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, and it was something to do with you!
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 13, 2006, 06:57:42 AM
Yeah!!! the message board is up and running again!!!  ;D
Glen thank you so very much for all the time and effort you have given  helping me. And thank you so very much for going that extra step and popping over to the eBay Chat to post  your reply for me to see, because this site had gone down. How very considerate of you to do that.Once again thank you.
And Marcus thank you very much too
Julie

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Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: pamela on December 14, 2006, 08:26:37 PM
May I ask for a better photo or description of the handle please ?
All that I can see of it does NOT remind me of a German production.
The corpus still looks like Bernsdorf Lady, but if Glen denies, I follow of course.
The shape:
it seems to be NO honey or jam pot
it seems to be very high for a powder jar belonging to a trinket set?
Sorry to not be of better service  :-\
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 14, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
HI Pamela, thanks for looking. ;D
This  jar doesn't have any handles.
I was thinking that it was a sugar bowl.Do you think this could be correct?
Julie
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Frank on December 15, 2006, 12:05:05 AM
Handle on lid.
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 15, 2006, 01:24:32 PM
How big is it? I have a trinket pot with a different design but a similar knob
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Glen on December 15, 2006, 05:00:31 PM
I feel that it is not the "Lady" pattern because the curved shapes at the top and bottom of each square are differently curved on Julie's piece. (The curve goes upward on Lady, at the bottom the square - but on Julie's piece the curve is downward. Vice versa for the curves at the top of the square). Also the deep V grooves you can see when you look at the profile of Julie's are not present to the same degree on Lady.

If my explanation isn't clear, then I'll try and find time to do a quick sketch to illustrate (but it may be a few days before I have the time).

The finial on the top of the lid is also not like the finials used on Lady, nor is the shape shown in the Lady suite.

I would suggest that Julie's piece is either a covered sugar, or a powder/pomade jar of some sort.

Glen
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: pamela on December 15, 2006, 09:21:28 PM
Frank thank you ! the handle on the lid is something I'd like to ask for!
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 16, 2006, 08:17:39 AM
The jar without the lid measures 2 inches high and 3 inches across the top.With the lid on, it measures approx 5 inches to the top of the finial.
Pamela, I will get a close up of the handle tomorrow for you.It is getting on dark here, right now, so not a good time to try to get pics.
Thanks once again all.
Julie
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 16, 2006, 06:22:36 PM
Size wise it sounds like the the largest size trinket bowl from a set with two small and one large
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Glen on December 16, 2006, 06:30:09 PM
In European sets (ie mainland Europe rather than just UK) I have found that the use of covered jars is listed as for powder, pomade etc. I think the trinket jar is more of a British idea. I am not sure of this, so feel free to correct me, it's just what I've observed in studying covered jars.

They can also be covered candy dishes, or covered bonbon dishes. This piece could, in fact, be a covered candy.

Glen
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: JC on December 17, 2006, 03:59:15 AM
Ok Here are the close up pics.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4349
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Frank on December 03, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
Sudden stop... :-(
Title: Re: Is it Crown Crystal? Cathy Glen anyone??
Post by: Anne on December 03, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Currently thinking this may be a Walther Mary trinket set pot, Frank. Though the lid varies from that shown in the 1937 catalogue, the body pattern matches. It's also frequently seen with what appear to be Walther Mary candlesticks.