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Glass / Re: Appert Freres, Clichy
« Last post by flying free on Today at 01:13:59 AM »
I just came across this doing a search for something else in the Conservatoire National des Arts et Mêtiers online search engine:

My French is poor but it seems to be some kind of evidence of something to do with filigrana (?) glass maybe (that's if it translates from filigrané to filigrana?

http://cugnot.cnam.fr:8000/SEARCH/BASIS/COLLEC/INTERNET/objet/DDW?W%3DMAT+PH+WORDS+%27verre%27+ORDER+BY+DESIG/Ascend%26M%3D18%26K%3D30090%26R%3DY%26U%3D1

'7 phases successives de la fabrication d'une coupe de verre filigrané

Inv. : 17246-

Description
technique   Dimensions :
Matériaux : Verre.

Historique   
Date d'entrée : -1905
Date de construction : -

Auteurs   
Auteur matériel : Appert Frères, Verriers, France Paris

Thèmes   
Verre

Nature   
Objet;Animation non prévue;Original ou reconstruction à partir des pièces originales.'


No picture I'm afraid.  Not sure if this helps at all but just in case.

m
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The only collection I know how to search is the Musee d'Orsay (built in 1900 for the Universal Exhibition).
They have a good online site  but I have searched as well as I know how to and can't find anything on there for either of those company names or silvered glass. Obviously not the right search place.


I'll try using the 'Conservatoire National des Arts et Mêtiers, Paris' as a search.

ooh - this is the search link for it:
http://www.arts-et-metiers.net/recherche?search_api_views_fulltext=vase%20verre&page=1&x=0&y=0

edited to add - No, sorry I can't work out how to use the search efficiently enough. 
The link is here:

http://cugnot.cnam.fr:8000/SEARCH/BASIS/COLLEC/INTERNET/OBJET/SF

m

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I found it here:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,65670.msg367632.html#msg367632

It was called the Patent Glass-silvering Company by the Spectator.

I said on the previous post linked above:

'ok, potentially an interesting new piece of information here as well:

The Spectator reported the court case from 1851
in their issue 6 December 1851:
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/6th-december-1851/2/alttrofolto

'At the Criminal Court, on Friday, Thomas Robert Mellish and James Douglas were convicted of defrauding the Patent Glass-silvering Company, ...  Douglas seven.'

What's interesting about this report is that they used the company name of  the 'Patent Glass-silvering Company'.''







So, in 1851 the Spectator called it the Patent Glass-silvering Company and in 1978 Barbara Morris called it the 'Silvered Glass Company'.

mmm, I  tried to search for the Patent Glass-silvering Company yesterday and didn't find anything, but then I have no idea or access to company records.  Anne is excellent at finding these things and I had yesterday been contemplating asking her to try and check it out.  It might  be worth asking Anne as there is now a second reference to a company 'name'.

I am now wondering where Barbara Morris discovered that 'name'? Possibly from the records of the receipt of the items in the Conservatoire in France?

m


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I thought I had mentioned it - I definitely read it somewhere, and it was called the Patent Silver-glass company iirc, and that can only be in the court cases I'm sure.
I'll check through them.

m
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yes, I mentioned it earlier in the thread Kev, it was in the court cases somewhere!


I'll have a quick look back through the thread and check the cases to find it.




Secondly, very interesting that those items are in the
Conservatoire National des Arts et Mêtiers, Paris (I will try and find those - I've used a French museum search site before so if I can find it I'll look them up) given Varnish and Mellish went to Paris (two or three times? - I remember Varnish saying he went the first time to register a patent)

m


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In the 1978 book: Victorian Table Glass and Ornaments, [ISBN 0 214 20551 7] by Barbara Morris (at that time Deputy Keeper of Ceramics at the V&A Museum), chapter 2, pp 31-40 cover "Coloured and Silvered Glass". There is coverage of basic information relating to Thomson / Varnish / Mellish / Lund. There are three plates showing examples of Silvered wares.

The statement, "... probably made by James Powell & Sons of Whitefriars" is given but there is no reference to Tallis's comments for the 1851 Great Exhibition, although that was probably the source of the statement.

The chapter ends with a paragraph covering "Drayton's process ... introduced about 1850". A quote from the Art Journal 1 February 1853 is given, beginning  "... an ingenious mode of silvering glass ...".

What is perhaps new to us here is a company name: Plate 14 on page 33 shows three silvered glass items "acquired in 1851 from the Silvered Glass Company". One item has the "Varnish" plug and the other two have "Thompson's". Location of the items: Conservatoire National des Arts et Mêtiers, Paris

Do we already have a reference to the Silvered Glass Company?
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France / MOVED: St. Louis pressed trinket tray
« Last post by Anne on Yesterday at 11:19:39 PM »
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Glass / MOVED: signed carafe
« Last post by Anne on Yesterday at 11:17:39 PM »
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Malta Glass / Re: signed carafe
« Last post by rosieposie on Yesterday at 10:53:30 PM »
It looks like quite a modern piece from the numbers on the base,  so Mdina Glass might help you if you email them with a picture of your glass and the base... they are still producing.
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Glass / Re: textured large blue glass platter or shallow bowl - i.d. help pls
« Last post by rummager on Yesterday at 10:39:55 PM »
Lustrousstone-

Here is a new photo taken at a similar angle to the Etsy-listed serving platter for comparison
-  the very distinctive "C"-shaped blocks, oblongs and deep groves etc. appear to match exactly (?)
...or are there other features detailed in Newhall's book that are absent/different ?

 - was this pattern reproduced by other companies?
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