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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: adam20 on March 10, 2011, 02:32:26 PM

Title: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on March 10, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
any help with ID of maker or designer welcome

The Royal Bohemian weight has a label and changes colour in different  light

The small bowl has four colours

The crystalex vase is large and is red to the base and amber to top
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Wayne on March 10, 2011, 03:23:19 PM
Hi, it's normally best to post a separate thread for each item so they don't get confused.  Anyway, 1st item is by Mstisov, from the 'Rhapsody' range by Frantisek Zemek.  Not too sure about the others.
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: flying free on March 10, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
The egg shaped paperweight looks like it may be I think (open to correction here) a weight based on a design by Vladimir Jelinek.  It's also neodymium I think, which is why it changes colour.
m
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on March 10, 2011, 04:09:07 PM
Yes the egg paperweight is neodimium

I have other czech pieces as such and a few Caithness the same I may post later - they are early
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: langhaugh on March 11, 2011, 06:56:12 AM
The first bowl looks like a variant of 'Rhapsody' line by Zemek, perhaps made after Mstisov production was moved to Karlovarske Sklo (Moser) as the colours are a little bright. Here's a a couple of pieces from the same line. I think the last one I show might be from Karlovarske Sklo, although, as ever, I'd defer to Jindrich's opinion.

David
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: langhaugh on March 11, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
The original version of this piece is Czech Glass review as 'Rhapsody' and 'bez nazvu,' without a name, that is no production number.

David
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 11, 2011, 12:39:31 PM
And, putting on my grumpy old pedant head  :-[  , could I add that there is absolutely nothing called "Royal Bohemia".

It's a made-up term which was used in error, one which unfortunatley got into print, and occassionally surfaces - as it just did here!
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on March 11, 2011, 02:48:37 PM
Too true and sorry - thre is no royal bohemia the label on my pieces is just bohemia made in czechoslovakia

So the egg weight and the firts piece but any clues on the crystalex vase it is very beautiful and subtle
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on March 31, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
Two more pieces - I know they appear on the web quite often just can't find link right now

Vase is 8" high



Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Anik R on March 31, 2011, 04:57:56 PM
For the first one, see here:  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34167.0.html

The second piece is by Frantisek Vizner for Rudolfova, pattern number 13163.


Adam, please start a new thread for each new piece you post.  It makes it so much easier for people to find what they're looking for.  :hi:
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on March 31, 2011, 06:00:52 PM
Thanks

Sorry for posting multiple pics in thread ::)

Anik, any idea about Crystalex vase in firts post - I really need some source of info on Crystalex as have a few pieces
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: langhaugh on March 31, 2011, 06:42:20 PM
Like many other Czechoslovakian entities of this time, Crystalex has a complex history. It was formed in 1974 as the umbrella organization for plants in Novy Bor, Kemenov Senov, Harrachov, and Chribska. The plants included what had been, and would return to being, the Moser and Egermann plants. The combine produced a wide range of glass, The name Crystalex is on some labels, mainly art glass made at one of the Novy Bor plants. Designers included, Pavel Hlava, the first chair of the Board of Directors of Crystalex,  Matura,  Jelinek, Suhajek, Oliva and Wunsch.  This info comes mainly from Helmut Ricke's book with a little from Langhamer.

I've used the rule of thumb looking at Czech glass that if a piece I like isn't Skrdlovice, then it must be Crystalex (or some variation).

Posting the pieces you have labeled Crystalex would help in determining who designed them, as well as bringing some enjoyment to collectors like me.

David
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Anik R on March 31, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
Hi again,

You can find some resources on Crystalex at Jindrich's site: http://www.cs-sklo.cz/
If you go to "SKLARNY (GLASSWORKS)" which appears on the left hand side, then select "C-D", you will find 'Crystalex'.  You can browse some of their catalogues.

That's all I've got. (http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/oh.gif)
(But even that is wonderful... I think Jindrich deserves a medal for promoting Czech glass and making such resources available.  :))
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: langhaugh on March 31, 2011, 06:55:34 PM
Hi:  I played around with the image of the vase in your first picture. The colour of your vase reminded me of a piece I have, which I have thought might be Chribska, but with a label different from yours. It shows the difficulty Czech collectors can have even when there is a label on a piece.
Hope all this helps.

David


PS Just read Anik's reply, and I neglected to mention what is a great resource. I did suggest that we should be erecting a statue of Jindrich, made of glass, of course, somewhere.
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Anne on April 01, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
There's also Marcus' Sklo Union book of course, which as Jindrich points out often, started off the in-depth research into Czech pressed glass, and without which the interest in it perhaps wouldn't have grown so much.
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: langhaugh on April 01, 2011, 01:53:54 AM
Anne:


I think Adam was asking for sources on Crystalex alone. As much as I have admired 'Sklo Union,' there isn't much about Crystalex in it.

David
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Anne on April 01, 2011, 02:16:56 PM
Ah David, I missed that he may have been  :-[ but also thought that as Adam has been offline for a while he may not be aware that Marcus's book has been published. I know Adam has a fair collection of Czech pressed glass from his earlier topics on the board before he left us awhile.
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Jindra8526 on April 02, 2011, 08:27:56 AM
For us, Czechoslovakian glass collectors is absolutely necessary tool the database CD  attached to the Marcus Newhall Sklo Union "bible" (www.sklounion.com).
Marcus was the first who focused our collectors society to pressed glass. It was quite easy to follow his direction namely when we have here in Czech republic group of pressed glass funs and I am not alone who is looking for available resources. We have only one still living pressed glass designer who had not been interviewed - Mrs. Ladena Viznerova. We (me and Max Velcovsky) are trying to complete the database of Czechoslovakian pressed glass - our approach is systematic.
I have completed the Vizner pressed glass list, there is no single piece that Vizner made and is not documented. We have got estate from Mr. Brabec widow, we are possibly able to complete Brabec designs list. Unfortunately we cannot ask Mr. Brabec so we cannot be sure that there are no gaps in this list. The huge task - I am now working on it - is to complete list of Mr. Urban designs. Mr Urban gave us part of his backgrounds but bigger part of his files is still not discovered. Becouse Mr Urban is here and co-operates effitiently we will get results. The next will be Mr. Sotola. My collegue Max is friend of Mr. Sotola daughter and Sotola had his work documented well, so no problems are expected. All this research is slower that one would expect and requires a lot of time and trips.
Here is the picture from one of our research trips to Mr. Urban atelier in Brno
https://picasaweb.google.com/Jindra8526/VladislavUrbanArchiv1822011?authkey=Gv1sRgCMuFqIOUw5nWQg#

I suppose that you can imagine how difficult is to complete list of his designs :-)
Than when you will take a look to Marcus book and CD you have to be shocked with complexity of information that Marcus had summarised and gave us and there is no wonder that the work took him 10 years. Czech glass funs know who was the first, no worries.

Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on April 04, 2011, 06:08:52 PM
Leslie Jackson 20th Century Factory Glass pp241 - picture of my Crystalex label - also pp56 to pp58 o Crystalex - very interesting read - "It acted as an umbrela for five branch corporations, each composed of several factories .... the Karolinka Glassworks ... the factory is noted for its ... and for its transparent pastel conteory glass" wild guess but it could be one of the many factories - a minefield really.
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: chriscooper on September 09, 2012, 05:51:45 PM
Seems the site www.sklounion.com is no more? showing the Domain name is up for sale.

Chris
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: Anik R on September 09, 2012, 06:06:52 PM
Chris, that site has been defunct for well over a year, I believe.
Quite unfortunate.

For pressed glass ID, you can take a look at the Sklo Union Sales site: http://sklo-union-glass.com/
and of course, at Jindrich's site (under 'lisovane sklo'): http://www.cs-sklo.cz/

Anik
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: chriscooper on September 09, 2012, 06:26:41 PM
Thanks Anik, I found a really nice piece today and was just having a look round to see if I could find it.

Chris
Title: Re: czech glass Identification
Post by: adam20 on September 28, 2012, 04:58:54 PM
I feel a bit embarrassed when I look at how the thread started. I was oblivious to the one item one post rule at the time. Saying that I am still no further with an ID to my egg shaped paperweights. I have two, one in neodymium on in a kind of green/blue. I had the chance of one in clear glass but wasn't quick enough. Ah well ... I have much come to the conclusion 'buy what you really like'. OK I buy stuff cheaply that I know is worth more, but that is only occasionally (saying that I have had a good run recently). It's nice to get an ID but like with these paperweights I will always treasure what looks good for its own sake. I have a bowl that I posted and most people thought wasn't that good. But I love it, it gives me a tingle when I pass it. However for research sakes it is great to pin stuff down, it opens up whole new areas.

BTW the Crystalex vase was at my folks house and my Mum gave it to charity LOL easy come easy go as they say.

Adam