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Title: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: Frank on May 13, 2007, 09:59:27 PM
Intriguingly Caithness number these as paperweights but Colin Terris omitted them from Charlton. To me they are  paperweights and I am puzzled why CT should not have thought so too?
All designed by Sarah Peterson (clickable for full details)

Rocket (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/590490a54a4d4476ad2448897a64a41d.jpg) (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1622&category_id=33&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Eclipse (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/b3db386b70f0289ae7fb7ccddb2b706f.jpg) (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1621&category_id=33&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Cubic (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/dfc7eef998ab689ed619f95bb04f5acc.jpg) (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1623&category_id=33&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: josordoni on May 13, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
Maybe he felt they were more sculpture than paperweights? 
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: RAINBOWGIRL on May 13, 2007, 10:57:54 PM
Perhaps he thought of waights in the more traditienal sense. I to think these is more like sculptures. or maybe these are of a kind sculpture.
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: Frank on May 13, 2007, 11:22:53 PM
No they are unlimited editions and he did include other rectangular blocks (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=170&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=27) as well. And he did break a few 'tradition' barriers in his life!
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on May 14, 2007, 05:32:38 AM
To me they are paperweights. I'm gonna make a stab in the dark and say perhaps he did not class them as such because of the technique used to make them -sandcasting as opposed to being formed on the end of a pontil rod.
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: josordoni on May 14, 2007, 06:32:15 AM
Mind you, whoever edited Charlton should be shot....

the prices in particular are all over the shop,  I don't trust it for pricing guidance any more at all.

Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: Frank on May 14, 2007, 09:08:53 AM
Pricing editor is Canadian, I presume that it was done from b&m auction results that are at least 4 years in the past.

Ultimately price will be a combination of rarity and desirability.
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: josordoni on May 14, 2007, 04:08:40 PM
No, that's not what I mean.

It is FULL of typos, where the entry for the collectable price has been muddled up with others on the page, so giving a completely false impression of some items.

I believe that Colin Terris confirmed that the prices were not correct for a number of weights.  The question is sorting out which ones it applies to, and which ones are accurate.

Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: stellar.artois on May 14, 2007, 04:43:29 PM
They were definitely classed as sculptures rather than weights, though there was also a limited edition in the range called 'Flower Tower'. I think the edition was 250, it certainly wasn't high, and I bought the last one that Caithness had.

The block one's that Frank has shown each weigh approximately 2.3 kilograms, too large and heavy for usable paperweights IMHO. I use mine as bookends  :D
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: stellar.artois on May 14, 2007, 04:46:56 PM
I believe that Colin Terris confirmed that the prices were not correct for a number of weights.  The question is sorting out which ones it applies to, and which ones are accurate.



He did to me too, weights like Red Carnation and Pink Aster which were mistakenly upped by over £200 each, and like Lacemaker which is worth about £15 (free to members) and has been put at £100. These are three off the top of my head :)
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: stellar.artois on May 14, 2007, 04:50:09 PM
Just checked, 'Flower Tower' was an edition of 100 Frank  :)
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: stellar.artois on May 14, 2007, 09:03:57 PM
Just for interest I've taken a picture showing one of the blocks with other cubed paperweights by Caithness, so you can see what the difference in size really is :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/apollo48/cubesa.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/apollo48/cubes2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: Frank on May 14, 2007, 09:19:06 PM
OK, that is a big size difference! Magnum  >:D Agreed that they are too big to really be weights, nice lumps anyway.

It is interesting though that Caithness gave them Paperweight codes rather than Ware codes as with other 'Art' pieces.

Do you know how the smaller cubes were made?
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: ALLAN on May 17, 2007, 04:50:10 PM
The two smaller cubes are made by the same process as a normal paperweight and then pushed into a square mould to form the cube.The sharpness of the edges is acheived by grinding and polishing the sides when they are annealed the next day.The two weights on view have different design methods inside though,the white flowers are lampwork and the rose is a crimp.These are regarded as paperweights as the making method is the same as for weights but we tend to regard the sandcasting as artglass.
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: Frank on May 17, 2007, 08:07:39 PM
Thank you Allan, can I use your description on the Scotland's Glass listings of square weights please?
Title: Re: Weight or not? (Caithness)
Post by: ALLAN on May 18, 2007, 11:59:18 AM
No problem Frank :)