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Title: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 18, 2012, 11:33:35 AM
Posting this for a friend who was trying to find out a little bit more information. Please excuse the photo quality they are taken from a camera phone.

Very light weight vase, at a guess would weigh less than 200g with iridescent finish to the glass. Decorated with enamelled classical scenes. Measures approx 4 inches tall.

Apparently it has some age, although on close inspection doesn't show much wear and tear to the foot or enamelling. My initial thoughts were that it was possibly a replica or reproduction, although not completely sure, so would welcome any other views/suggestions, again apologise for the picture quality.
Many thanks,
Greg
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: johnphilip on September 18, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
Hi no reason why it should have wear not a thing that would be used often , probably kept in cabinet , you also said its light .
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 18, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Thanks for taking a look JP. From memory I think it may well have been in a cabinet at some point, although always a little cautious of third hand provenance.

The glass is very thin as well as light, it initially, reminded my of some more recent, middle eastern repro type vases that surface now and again, perhaps this can be ruled out..?

Any thoughts on dates and area of production most welcome.

Thanks
 :)
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: flying free on September 18, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
can you get some clearer and close up pics - they are all blurry when you enlarge them and I'd love to see it more clearly.
m
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Ivo on September 18, 2012, 05:21:17 PM
The shape suggest it may have had a lid and the decoration technique suggests it is not old. I'd guess 1970s Italy - but I must admit I have never seen this decoration before. How is the underside finished?
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 18, 2012, 06:01:12 PM
Thanks for both taking a look. I'll try to get hold of a few better quality pictures with a digital camera, although will be a few days before I see the vases owner again. Thanks for looking in the mean time, I appreciate the photo quality is a little poor, camera phones are never great for these things!

In terms of the base, I did take a picture, although again the picture is unfortunately blurry, I have attached it just in case it may be of use. The underside is also iridised like the main body and has a couple of very small rough points, where the pontil has been snapped.

The enamelled scenes from memory although not bad quality were perhaps a little loosely executed, in terms of the finer detail. The enamelling was also fairly thickly applied and clearly stands proud of the main body.

I will update with a few further pics, as soon as possible.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 21, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Here are a handful of the better quality pictures, which I hope are more useful.....
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 21, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
That horse needs to go on a diet and no random whispy draperies! Interesting that it's enamelled post-iridising. I would go with old
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 21, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
Thanks Christine, I did think the horse was rather low to the ground :)

In terms of speculating on age, would think around 1900 or earlier in date..?
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: flying free on September 21, 2012, 02:15:29 PM
ROFL   ;D sorry Greg but that horse actually looks like it is collapsing under the weight of it's rider  ;D
I'll have a proper look in a mo, but I LIKE IT a lot.  Very pretty.  Lovely enamelling.
m
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Ivo on September 21, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
ROTF the bushwhacker beats the horse by a mile! The whole thing is obviously hand enameled - the scrolls may have been transferred before filling in, they're too perfect. The five point pontil is - if I remember well - not an instrument from the distant past. No conclusion. It is one of the funniest pieces I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 21, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
Thanks everyone for taking a look. Good point about the scrolls Ivo, I did wonder why they looked much neater than the depicted scenes.
It certainly is a little bit of an odd ball piece. I did manage earlier while visiting the owner to also take a couple of pics of the two other scenes, thought I would throw these into the mix, one depicts a slightly thinner horse this time round and I'll let the other speak for itself :) The last photo is just a view from above inside. I'm sure these will amuse. :)

Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: flying free on September 21, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
I think the enamelling looks old for what it's worth but then I don't know about that pontil mark given Ivo's comments. I do remember I think, someone saying that the Italians didn't do such risque scenes though? but maybe that was regarding women not men.    The iridescence on it is nice as well.  It reminds me of those Venetian opalescent tazza's and bowls.   I wonder what the person enamelling it was thinking of  :)  it's not usual to have such unclothed scenes.  The horseman on the shot you've just shown above doesn't look Italian to me though.  Looks more Greek maybe? but then I'm rubbish at things like that.
m
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 21, 2012, 08:00:35 PM
Many thanks for your thoughts M, much appreciated. Perhaps it is indeed older than I originally envisaged, although pinning down a rough date of production / country of origin look like they may be tricky, certainly an unusual thing.  :)
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: johnphilip on September 21, 2012, 08:27:39 PM
i have had several  quite old Italian pieces with five point pontil . Thats my guess .
Title: Re: Light weight Iridised & enamelled Vase with classical Scenes - Repro / Replica?
Post by: Greg. on September 23, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Thanks for taking another look JP.