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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: insaneprofessor on December 21, 2005, 11:28:52 AM
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Me again
exuse all these posts, I'm just excited to have discovered the boards
I have 7 of these bowls
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/nicetings002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/nicetings004.jpg)
they are definitely cut glass or crystal.
I used to have 8 but my beloved sister put one in the dishwasher and, apart from removing all the gilt, it turned the bowl into a milky colour that I can't remove. :roll:
I'm know nothing about them and any information that anyone can give would be, as always, very much appreciated.
Thanks and Season's Greetings
Louise :)
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Hello Insaneprofessor
Nice items.
This is not my area of expertise (if I have one !) but I will comment as far as I can, as the experts are busy right now.
The glass may or may not be full lead crystal. The "ping" test will help ! Try to describe the sound. I would imagine that such fine work would be done on at least fairly good quality glass.
This is not what I normally think of when I think of "cut" glass. There seems to be both cutting and engraving on this piece but the cutting is so fine that maybe it's done with a copper wheel or some other technique.
Hopefully Ivo, Bernard, Terry, Adam A or Frank will know.
As to maker, that may be difficult as the design is so classical and I imagine done by a number of different makers.
Peter
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Have added my location 8)
if I balance them on my fingers and gently bring them together they do make a lovely bell like chiming sound that continues for perhaps 1- 2 seconds after the initial impact, not for as long as a singing bowl but you get the idea.
These things are so subjective though, perhaps there are even more bell like chimes to be got from even more crystaly bowls?
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Had a quick flip through Replacements and a possible match to the bottom teardrops was found for Fostoria, Thomas, Stuart and Royal Doulton. Stuart signatures can be very faint and hard to see.
Engraving could be mechanical, on a lathe, but I doubt it is etched.
If they are small bowls a shorter ring is normal, how big are they? A close up of the side might help.
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thanks Frank
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I'm not sure if this helps
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/glassstuff023.jpg)
I can probably get a very close up pic, just give me a few moments, I'll measure one too
back in a sec :)
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close ups here :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/crystalbase003.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/crystalside.jpg)
the bowls measure 4 3/8" across the top
:)
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Is all the engraving gilt?
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Is all the engraving gilt?
some of the bowls have more gilt than others, in some the gilt has faded more then others.
the one shown here is about in the middle.
I don't think there's any gilt in the circular shapes around the base, although whether they have always been like this or whether they were originally gilt and it has since worn away I don't know.
edited to add
I bought these in a charity shop ages ago and for some years used them to serve trifle in
they look lovely with a nice sherry trifle in them
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after the fiasco with my sister and the dishwasher I put them in a box in a cupboard and forgot about them for about 8 years.
I want to sell them now as I'm too lazy to use bowls that I can't put in a dishwasher LOL
also I want a film camera so bad it hurts :D
I'd be very pleased if they turned out to be valuable *crossses fingers*
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look a lot like German Rosenthal finger bowls
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I cannot help with maker, but it appears to me to be wheel cut. The design was cut using a cutting wheel and the cut areas left matt. Gilt was then applied to those ares. This type is usually on the thin side, but of good quality glass. Unfortunately when found today most of the gilt has disappeared. Here is a piece on ebay that helps illustrate a very good one with lots of gilt.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7376629551&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Most of the ones I see are of this type, more Victorian in appearance. Yours seems later, Terry
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Thanks all :)
I was also wondering whether I should get them re-gilded
alternatively there's an art supplies shop near me that sells sheets of real gold leaf, I'm wondering how easy / hard it is to apply?
IMMIC the sheets are sold in very expensive thick books of leaf rather than just a few sheets so it could be tricky
I've seen people doing something similar on TV, picking the sheets up using static and a paintbrush, gently applying it to the engraved bits and wiping the smooth bits away (might be harder then it looks though) :?
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I have a bowl that went cloudy in the dishwasher as well... it seems some glass is susceptible to this. Not all glass is dishwasher safe! Certainly anything with gilding should not be dishwashered as that will strip it very fast... said she who removed some faded patchy gilding from a couple of brandy balloons - the sort you see from Olde English Nights at the Lodge - to make them plain glass again.
From what I've seen gold leaf can be finicky to apply. :(
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IMHO it would be quite insane, Professor, to try and regild your finger bowls. I think finicky doesn't begin to describe the process, and in the end you would still be left with a set of gold leaf applied (but not fired on) finger bowls. Finger bowls are part of a large glass service but take up an awful amount of cupboard space and are therefore often disposed of. Their value is limited. The use of finger bowls has gone out of fashion in the 1930s and anyway, when is the last time you decked the table with them?
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IMHO it would be quite insane, Professor, to try and regild your finger bowls. I think finicky doesn't begin to describe the process, and in the end you would still be left with a set of gold leaf applied (but not fired on) finger bowls. Finger bowls are part of a large glass service but take up an awful amount of cupboard space and are therefore often disposed of. Their value is limited. The use of finger bowls has gone out of fashion in the 1930s and anyway, when is the last time you decked the table with them?
cool
I just quite fancied it as a project as I enjoy arty / crafty finicky things
If it wouldn't work then I won't even try it.
I stopped using finger bowls last year as it just created too much work for the servants :wink:
Seriously, I've never used finger bowls but have used them for serving trifle and they look fantastic with all the trifle layers and the light catching on the glass /crystal and the jelly.
I think I'll list them as glass / crystal bowls and put that they're finger bowls in the text of the listing, while rambling on about how great they are for serving trifle in
Cool people eat lots of trifle a lot so I'm hoping this will work as a marketing strategy LOL