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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on October 06, 2012, 01:06:34 PM
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Just thought I would share these photos I know Shiona is a member and may be interested. Only seen a few examples of vases over the years never one with a stopper before. It's 7" high including the stopper.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/JohnAirlieKirkhillGlassPerfume
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Knowing a little about John Airlie and his contribution to glass making in general and even less about Scottish glass but retaining a good memory from some long forgotten posts I had read on here in the past and appeals for examples of his work. Dare I say (which is quite unusual for me) I was quite excited when I spotted this piece at the weekend knowing immediately what is was. Even had no qualms about handing over my hard earned cash, which I never do lightly but based on the theory I know I will never get my money back but it looks quite an usual example with the huge stopper so 'I'll take one for the team' and of course 'cause it was signed and labelled the seller immediately assumed it was worth a small fortune.
So quite deflated to look in today and find it all ready 'relegated' to the 'annals' of page 2 with only a hand full of viewings and no replies.
A lesson learned, in future don't buy glass on a sentimental whim stick to my old adage 'glass is profit', or of course stick it in British glass where it will hover around for a lot longer ;D
Chris
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It is a lovely perfume bottle Chris, and I was surprised that non of the Scottish glass enthusiats had acknowledged or commented on it. It seems the complete antithesis of the reason for having this forum??
Perhaps one of the mods would be good enough to alert Shiona to this thread as she is a member?
It would be a shame for her not to be told about it. It wouldn't take a minute, and could make her very happy.
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You and me too Rosie how odd? then again it may have just 'slipped' through the net maybe with hindsight I should put it in British glass?
Thanks anyway for taking the time to make a comment, appreciated.
Chris
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Have mailed Shiona.
It is a lovely piece and the thread should be in British Glass.
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I think Chris mentioned earlier in the thread that this could have gone into British Glass, Frank, but decided that less people would be less likely to see it as for the most part, many of us tend to graduate to 'Glass' to see what is new...
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Been away folks, hence the delay. It is a lovely perfume bottle and you should treasure it. Neither Mum or myself had any as the stoppers were such a nuisance (I am being polite) to make that Dad produced very few. I finally managed to buy two on e-bay but they rarely appear on the market. Many thanks for letting me know about it - another one for the family archive.
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Hi, thanks for taking the time to comment.
I did try through this board to get your attention on this piece Shiona and despite the obvious importance of John's work and the general interest in British glass and Scottish glass in particular through this board, apart from Rosemary sadly I received no help or interest whatsoever with this piece.
Chris
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You know as much about John Airle as I do, Chris.
There is some info. on Scotland's Glass, the rest you will find searching here.
I've been reading the thread in the hope of learing myself.
Assuming a lack of interest because there are no comments is inappropriate.
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Sue, I think it is YOUR comments here are inappropriate.
Chris was NOT asking for information, he was simply sharing his find with us all, and quite rightly expected a degree of enthusiasm and some positive comments on this beautiful piece.
His ultimate goal was to ensure that Shiona was aware of it. And quite rightly when she did see it described it as being a piece to treasure.
Chris's comments on the apparent lack of interest from those we would all expect to be thrilled to have the chance to see this piece, are, sadly, very true.
Had YOU found it and listed it as a 'show and tell', I feel certain that you would have been as hurt as I suspect Chris was.
He has a website that he freely gives access to all of you here on the GMB and I for one am getting rather irritated by the lack of appreciation given for this.
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My original post was going to be, "Sorry. I'll add this to the list of 'one more thing I've got to feel guilty about' file." However, that's a little too sarcastic. That reaction is, nevertheless, a fair indication of how Rosie's admonition affected me.
As it is, I'm not quite sure who Rosie is addressing or representing when she writes, "from those we would all expect to be thrilled to have the chance to see this piece." Who are the "those"? Who are the "we" who are all expecting? And how does Rosie know that those "who would be thrilled" have even seen the thread? Rosie seems to acknowledge that she had seen the original post, and yet she didn't comment immediately.
Chris writes, that apart from Rosie, "I received no help or interest whatsoever with this piece." Yet, by the time he wrote that, it would seem somebody from the Board (a Mod. perhaps?) had alerted Frank, who posted and alerted Shiona. Shiona then posted explaining she had been away. This seems like a fairly good response to me.
Also, I'm not sure that membership of this Board comes with an obligation to praise. I use the Board to learn about glass generally and to identify pieces I acquire that I can't attribute. In return, I make an effort to add any information or understanding that I can to a thread. I can appreciate that some members want to share new found pieces. I may look at them, but I don't feel an obligation to make general noises of approval unless I'm moved to do so and have the knowledge to do so. And I'm not going to feel bad about that.
David
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Help meant helping me get in touch with Shiona, John's daughter who I would have loved to have GAVE the piece to.
I never asked for help with information Sue I knew what it was.
Funnily enough I did search the board and came up with requests for examples of Johns work.
So armed with a perfect example with a stopper I have never seen which was signed dated and labelled I must confess I did expect a comment or 2 from the 4 or 5 members who had commented on previous threads that turned up in my search.
Not looking for help Sue or praise either David for that matter though I did 'bump' it a couple of times hopefully to get it moved to British glass? and for someone to get in touch with Shiona and hopefully someone from Scotlandsglass would take a look because I thought it deserved to go in there>
Also David you are again way off the mark with your statement.
"It would seem somebody from the board alerted Frank a mod maybe?"
Pretty sure also David Rosie meant the people at Scotlandsglass and maybe those that are currently fawning all over the Studio piece threads that are currently all over the board when she said.
"Chris's comments on the apparent lack of interest from those we would all expect to be thrilled to have the chance to see this piece, are, sadly, very true"
So please do not try to turn the thread into something it was never intended to be with 'antagonising' comments.
I don't seek praise of you collectors on here just your dollars ;)
Chris
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A very quick search on kirkhill reveals both Shiona's email and her user name...
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Off course I could have yes Christine. Anyone though can 'throw' little one liners in to make me feel even more stupid I suppose ;D
Indecently a quick search of 'Kirkhill' also brings up....
"It's not only lovely-It's an important of history I am sure Scotland's glass would love images of your piece"
I'll poke Shiona later"
"I did poke Shiona via facebook but got no response"
"Does anyone else have examples of John Airlie Kirkhill glass?"
"I will ask his daughter to take a peek"
Just a few of the 'helpful' replies from previous post none which were afforded to me?
And of course the 'real' reason' why Rosemary was upset.
"i actually sold two airlie scent bottles last year that were bought by John Airlies daughter, i remember having a discussion with her and her joy of obtaining pieces made from her father
apparently some items were stolen , i have emailed her and given her the link to the forum with the hope she might reply direct"
Sorry a post that started off with the best intentions appears to be going downhill fast.
Surely another case of not "what was said' but more to do with "who said it"?
Forget too add David I think what Rosie meant about my Picasa album, being a general glass dealer, and not a specific collector it is really helpful because there is such a varied selection from various makers which is always a bonus when trying to pinpoint a certain piece. 99% of the pieces I know what they are and most have been sold on anyway so most people would delete the photos to generate space which I pay a premium for, not me though I choose to leave them in, in the hope they prove useful even if it's only through a google search.
Chris
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I would guess that I've stumbled on to something that's about more than what it at first seems to be about. I should have guessed that and stayed away from this thread, as I have no interest whatsoever in such situations.
Chris, as an outsider, my point was that you did get help, and yet most of your energy seemed focused, and still seems focused, on the help you didn't get. Read your reply to Shiona, for example. Also, you say that you were not looking for praise. Perhaps you could point that out to Rosie, who wrote that you "quite rightly expected a degree of enthusiasm and some positive comments."
Rose, I'm taking from what Chris said that you had expectations of specific people. It might help if you expressed that privately to the small group Chris said you had in mind, rather than direct public criticism at what seemed to me to be a very broad range of people. It would also keep apparent enmities between a few people away from the broad mass of the group.
That's it for me.
David
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David, again I did not get one offer of help at all with my request. Maybe that is why I highlighted on the help I didn't get?
The one reply came after I myself 'prompted' it through an email regarding another matter.
Chris