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Title: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 17, 2012, 09:29:01 PM
hi,any info at all pls,rareity,price,collectors,
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: johnphilip on March 17, 2012, 09:34:23 PM
Isnt that early Waterford ?
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 17, 2012, 09:55:47 PM
hi,it has a faint lozenge & can see the words cork,very uneven stem,pattern[fish pattern???]little oval/circle glass droplets,can email pics
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 17, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
hi john,dnt think its waterford,i think its def the cork glass co ,would this be sought after?
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Paul S. on March 18, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Some of us may not understand the history of the early Irish cut glass factories, so if I may add just a little which might (or not) help those of us interested in glass from that region..........
It would appear that the 'The Cork Glass Company' ceased in 1818, and was the only Irish factory which used the words 'Cork Glass Co.' - often in relief letters on the base of some products.      Other factories operating in Cork during the first half of the C19 were 'Waterloo Glass House Company' and 'Terrace Glass Works'.     However, no doubt  the lifespan and output etc. of Waterford  far exceeded that of the more brief lives of the Cork factories, and so may give rise to the thought that pieces  -  unmarked ones  -   are more likely to be Waterford rather than Cork.      Apparently, patterns and designs were copied often, making unmarked pieces very difficult to attribute, unless they carried trade marks such as............ Penrose Waterford  -  Cork Glass Co.  -  Waterloo Co Cork  -  B. Edwards Belfast.
I assume the suggestion here is that the words are contained within a lozenge, although am I missing the point of where the marks are -underside of the foot?

If this piece has genuine provenance/mark from the Cork Glass Company, then I'd have thought it was of real interest - although values are not something we'd dscuss here for reasons explained before.    Nonetheless, I'd very much like to own this.   

I don't fully understand the description of the stem cutting  -  but assume some sort of fish scale cutting is being described  -  we would need to see a good clear picture before agreeing...........there are a variety of stem cutting patterns known to exist  -  some of which were being applied to drinking glasses as early as c.1760.

Sorry to all for being long winded  -  I'd love to be able to reduce all this to one a and half sentences like wot others manage - but since I'm not clever like others..........

Anyway, waiting to see pictures please. :)

Ref.    'English & Irish Cut Glass 1750 - 1950'   -  E. M. Elville  -  Country Life (1953).


   
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 18, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
hi,E.M.elville,tyvm for your interest will put pics on today
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Paul S. on March 18, 2012, 11:01:36 AM
sorry to say it but I'm not Elville .......I'm Paul S..........apologies if the Ref. was less than clear.
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 18, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
We could be more helpful if you attach pictures see here http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html
and didn't write in text speak please
Title: irish cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 19, 2012, 06:12:49 PM
hi paul, it does have cork glass in letters on the base
Title: irish cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 22, 2012, 04:51:47 PM
sorry about picture quality will put more on later
Title: irish cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 22, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
diff views
Title: Re: irish cork glass
Post by: Wayne on March 22, 2012, 04:57:10 PM
Hi, I don't know if you realise, but you're making a brand new thread for every post you make, instead of having them all in one thread?  Your original thread is here:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,46516.msg261250.html#msg261250

Just go to that thread, then click "reply" to add more posts, pics etc.
Title: irish cork glass marks
Post by: classinaglass on March 22, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
hi ,im 100% sure this is cork glass the lozenge date is faint but deffinetly there on the top part,& with my eyepiece i can see the words cork in relief letters i will have another look tonight as there are other relief letters ,,saw the word cork,, witch was enough proof to me,ty craig,,ps any info or opinions would be very welcome
Title: Re: irish cork glass marks
Post by: classinaglass on March 22, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
hi,can anyone suggest a trusted glass apraiser 
Title: Re: irish cork glass
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 22, 2012, 07:12:47 PM
Welcome to the gmb!

You can add up to 4 images per posting.


I'm going to ask a moderator to sort your postings out into one thread - I see Wayne's pointed out you don't need a new thread for every picture either. Don't worry, we all make mistakes to start off with.

But would you please, please, use full words with spaces between them - I can't read your text-y style posts, they really confuse me. I'm an old bag who doesn't even use a mobile phone.

Also, this is an international forum - lots of members don't have english as their first language, and it must be impossible for them to understand!
Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Anne on March 22, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
I've rounded up all the different topics by classinaglass and combined them into this topic to keep all the info together.

classinaglass,  to reply to this topic use the blue reply button at the top or bottom of the topic rather than creating a whole new topic please. If you get stuck feel free to ask for help.
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 22, 2012, 07:30:21 PM
Thanks, Anne
- boy, that was quick! :o
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Paul S. on March 22, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
I'm sure that classinaglass won't object to us using his name, which I understand from his off-board messages to me, is Craig. :)

I had thought from Craig's earlier communications regarding this matter of the 'Cork' mark, that we were talking about cut glass - although from what I can see from the images now posted, it appears to be pressed glass.           The date that I mentioned of 1818, when The Cork Glass Co. ceased trading, would have been too early for a general piece of pressed glass such as this comport or cake stand.   Besides which, lozenge marks (indicating the registration details) didn't commence until 1842 and even then that might have applied to areas of the U.K other than Eire.

Will you confirm please Craig if the lozenge of which you are talking,  appears to be the usual U.K. Registration cartouche (containing the year/month/parcel No.)        At the top of the lozenge there should be a cirlce enclosing a Roman 'III'.      Otherwise I'm a bit lost :)
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 22, 2012, 10:25:48 PM
hi paul yes its clearer than i thought & it has an oval with III will try get good pic on
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Paul S. on March 22, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
hello Craig.        Unless you can produce a very sharp close up picture, then I doubt that we'd see the details adequately to read them.   However, all is not lost  -   simply draw the diamond on a piece of paper and include the semi-circles in each of the four inside corners of the lozenge.    Then write into these four circles the letters or Nos. that you can see on the glass  -  making sure that you place the drawn details in the same order as you see them on the glass (it can make a difference - so don't get it wrong).     You can then either simply tell us what you have within the diamond, and in which corner  -  or take a snap of your drawing, and post the picture.     Someone here will then interpret your details, and hopefully then tell you much more about your piece of glass - which may well turn out to be Victorian, rather than pre Victorian.        If you look at your piece you should see mould lines (3 or 4 perhaps) running down the outside of the glass, and terminating at the foot.   
So where does the word 'Cork' appear in relation to the diamond??
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: classinaglass on March 24, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
hi paul,think im wrong ,the letters that im cure says cork are at the center of the bowl[top of stem]the date is victorian[gutted]there are 4 mould lines ending on the foot though,ty craig
Title: Re: antique[ irish] cork glass
Post by: Paul S. on March 24, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
well, at least you've learned how to recognize pressed glass - although it doesn't always come with a diamond lozenge mark  -  the majority of pieces you will see have a just a number (accompanied with a trade mark, occasionally), and as the Readers Digest used to say ....'it pays to increase your word power', so time to get a few books Craig. :)          Presumably you don't have any at present, so guess you're unable to decypher the data within the lozenge.       Pressed glass has a big following here, so if you wish to know about your piece, tell us the details and someone is sure to be able to help. :)
As you can imagine, compared to the potential value of an early C19 drinking glass made by The Cork Glass Company, this is rather a non starter, so hope you aren't too disappointed.