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Title: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Greg. on February 07, 2011, 02:25:17 PM: Hi,

Hoping someone can help me determine the markings on the bowl below, fairly, sure it reads 'kosta' although the script isn't that clear.

The base I think reads Kosta SH 180/43.

Any thoughts on date/ designer etc greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Greg
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Martyn K on February 07, 2011, 04:34:07 PM: Mona Morales-Schildt, 1960s.
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Greg. on February 07, 2011, 04:57:11 PM: Many thanks for the quick reply Martyn, Much appreciated.

Would you happen to know what the 180/43 refers too? - Is it just as simple as the 43rd one produced out of a total of 180..?

Thanks,
Greg
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: glassobsessed on February 07, 2011, 06:19:05 PM: Nah, that's wishful thinking!

Pattern no 180, 43 probably refers to a variation, possibly size.

John
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Greg. on February 07, 2011, 06:33:55 PM: thanks John, probably wishful thinking on my part, always living in hope!
:)
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: langhaugh on February 08, 2011, 08:05:48 AM: It looks like a Mona Morales-Schildt piece, but I thought SS was her code (at least it is on Ventana pieces). I can't seem to find a good list of the codes for 50'-60's Kosta. John or Martyn: can you suggest a source.

Thanks.

David
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: glassobsessed on February 08, 2011, 09:01:56 AM: Good point, according to data in Smoke & Ice the code for Mona Morales-Schildt designs is SS (the book offers little further help). Given that the company has changed the format for their codes several times maybe an email to the current company would bear fruit: info@kostaboda.se

John
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Greg. on February 08, 2011, 10:18:22 AM: Thanks all - think Martyn was spot on. Searching online, there's several Mona Morales Schildt pieces which all carry the 'SH' code, couple of examples below. Also seen one very similar to my piece, although in a slightly larger size, which as John suggests the numbering after the pattern code, would appear to refer to size variations.

http://www.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/2744

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Miniature-Rare-Mona-Morales-Schildt-Kosta-Boda-Vase-/260732934223

Whilst typing this thread, just came across a couple of the Ventana examples on the web and I see what David means, these pieces confusingly do seem to carry the SS mark. I pretty sure that the 'SH' mark does belong to Mona Morales Schildt, however, am still slightly puzzled while the Ventana pieces are marked SS. I wonder if it was something specific to do with the Ventana Range..?

Quite often more information, brings more questions! - sure a quick email to Kosta will sort this one out.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: cjf on February 08, 2011, 11:57:54 AM: This follows the same logic as e.g. the pieces made by Vicke Lindstrand. The "S" indicates Morales-Schildt just like the "L" signals Lindstrand, and the "H" indicates hand-formed/uncut while the "S" indicates cut. So the difference here is that e.g. the Ventana pieces have been cut, while this bowl has not.
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Martyn K on February 08, 2011, 01:47:51 PM: Following on from that does anybody know what 'Sa. S' means. I'm pretty sure it's a Mona M-S piece, it's a two colour bowl with mirror cuts, but I cant work out (or find another example of) the 'Sa' part.

Full mark is 'Kosta Sa. S 5775'
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: langhaugh on February 08, 2011, 04:33:51 PM: Thanks CJF. That makes sense, especially since the numbering is from pre 5 digit system. You don't happen to know a source for the codes of the other Kosta designers from that era, apart from Lindstrand?

Thanks.

DF
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: taylog1 on February 08, 2011, 10:07:07 PM: Ernest Gordon was G, so at Kosta GD was engraved, GS cut, GH hand formed, GG engraved
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: langhaugh on February 08, 2011, 11:13:10 PM: Thanks for Gordon, Taylog. That leaves the Warffs, pretty much. Were they simply Warff?

DF
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: cjf on February 09, 2011, 07:17:44 AM: Quote from: Martyn K on February 08, 2011, 01:47:51 PM
Following on from that does anybody know what 'Sa. S' means. I'm pretty sure it's a Mona M-S piece, it's a two colour bowl with mirror cuts, but I cant work out (or find another example of) the 'Sa' part.

Full mark is 'Kosta Sa. S 5775'

Could you post a picture? I suspect that this one could possibly be by Owe Sandeberg...
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: glassobsessed on February 09, 2011, 08:35:17 AM: Re the Warffs, back to Smoke & Ice again where an examples is shown as: Kosta/production no/Warff, this seems to apply for Ann or Goran.

John
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Martyn K on February 09, 2011, 09:09:52 AM: Quote from: cjf on February 09, 2011, 07:17:44 AM
Could you post a picture? I suspect that this one could possibly be by Owe Sandeberg...

Many thanks CJF you're absolutely right, Owe Sandeberg it is!!

Sorry for the mini hijack of your thread Greg.
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Greg. on February 09, 2011, 09:21:24 AM: No worries Martyn, Interesting to know some of the other codes, just going to have to try and remember all of these now!

;)
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: taylog1 on February 09, 2011, 10:10:51 PM: You'll also sometimes see BH for Elis Bergh - the reissued ones in the late 1950's
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: taylog1 on February 10, 2011, 06:44:16 AM: Here's a piece of Ove Sandeberg with a picture of the signature

270704335123
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: langhaugh on February 10, 2011, 07:35:41 AM: After this thread, I realised I had forgotten a great deal about Kosta (and everything else) so I went back to read 'Kosta 250," the book produced as part of Kosta's 250th anniversary. It seems that there was even greater variation in the signature system than I thought, particularly in the late 50's/60's. For example, they have examples of Ventana with no code and signed Mona Morales, Mona Schildt, and Mona Morales-Schildt. The book lists every master blower and cutter who records say worked at Kosta and yet it doesn't provide a list of the code numbers for the designers.

David
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: Martyn K on February 10, 2011, 05:31:19 PM: Owe or Ove..?
Title: Re: Small Kosta Cased Bowl - Signature and Mark Info Needed
Post by: cjf on February 11, 2011, 07:39:44 AM: Quote from: Martyn K on February 10, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
Owe or Ove..?

It's "Owe", but you often see it misspelled...