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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: flying free on March 31, 2012, 10:23:43 AM
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I can find lots of information on Dermay, and the various glass powder boxes and some references to Taussant/Taussaunt, but nothing conclusive on a maker for this lidded box.
I thought perhaps her face may be similar to others seen on centrepieces for example which might give some clues to a maker maybe.
She's very statuesque in look.
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Lovely! The eyes are quite distinctive - very round and open. I must have a look at other female powderbox etc figures to see if I can find similar.
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http://chataboutdg.com/forums/ Have you looked through here?
Ask on the associated forum
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Thanks Christine :) I get a virus alert on that site :-\ .
I have found lots of related questions about these types of boxes though including a few threads on here, and as far as I can see the maker still isn't known. I thought we may be able to come up with a match somehow to the centrepieces perhaps. Her face is quite distinctive, she is what I would described as 'handsome'.
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Honestly there is no virus. It wouldn't still be up if there was a virus. The people that run it are lovely. It's fine. There has even been a discussion on the forum about it. It seems to be a search issue that flags an account suspended; something that happened because of a late payment.
Join the forum and ask anyway; if nothing else they would appreciate a picture for the gallery, as she's not in there http://www.chataboutdg.com/
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I have done, I'll report back if anything definitive comes up and thank you Nancy :)
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post deleted as link had incorrect id caption - apologies
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To the best of my knowledge we (across the pond) have not uncovered a single piece of documentation as to who/whom Taussaunt may have been & I know the saerch has gone on for many, many years. Personally I think its entirely possible it was simply a name given to a line of vanity pieces (mostly powder jars) that were produced by a distribution company who subcontracted pours from various glass companies. Example...the Clown powder that can be found marked Taussaunt was first produced as a candy jar #137 by the Beaumont Glass Co. in Morgantown, WV & Beaumont did not close until 1991 so perhaps Beaumont made the pour in a modified mold under subcontract. Same thing exists with Dermay. Example...the Dermay Puppy Love vanity piece which started its life as a kitchen spice box in milk glass in the late 1890s became Puppy Love in the 1930s in colored satin glass. Dermay was in all probability simply a company who subcontracted pours from companies who originally owned these molds or Dermay purchased these molds later & subcontracted who knows who to make the pours.
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Honestly there is no virus. It wouldn't still be up if there was a virus.
I got a virus alert too, and emailed them a while ago about it, but had no reply.
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Thank you Ohio I appreciate you taking the time to reply in such detail :)
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I've added another to the set - this one is unmarked but I've seen one on the net marked with Dermay imprinted on the base (possibly the same marking as Rapunzel) and with a sticker old foil, saying Taussant.
Large and very heavy, the inset base of this box is curved rather than flat. Very nicely made.
I probably should start a separate thread for it ::)
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Ohhh that is sweet, M!
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thanks Anne :) he's known as the Jester I think.
Actually perhaps he's better off left here as part of the 'Dermay' set?
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For now at least, yes I agree, M. Dermay and Taussant are connected, but I don't pretend to know how (yet!) as I've not looked into much of the American trinket set info as yet.
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Gorgeous Rapunzel and Court Jester, congratulations m! :)
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Thanks Jayne :)
Anne, there is very little information on these Dermay or Taussant boxes even on the US sites.
But I will try and link a thread here if I can find it, where James Measell also gives a snippet of further information I think.
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Thanks M! I have a couple of reference pics of Taussant and Dermay items, but nothing usable on the GTS website as yet, so any info would be welcome.
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grr, I cannot find something I found yesterday... I'm sure whatever I'd read James Measell had made reference to Wrisley. On chatabout there is reference that one lidded box (Sphynx) is found with both Dermay labels and has been found with 'Wrisley Quality' label.
I have absolutely no idea who Wrisley are btw.
I will keep looking.
Ah found it...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35611.msg193593.html#msg193593
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I've added another in pink - a double glass box with a figure of a boy hugging a dog on top, marked Dermay 5th avenue. It's not arrived yet but looks like this one - apparently called 'Puppy Love'
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dermay-WMG-Puppy-Love-RARELY-FOUND-Powder-Jar-/380462507292#vi-desc
Site here with many of these items
http://www.kandmantiques.com/Articles/HumanPowderJars/index_3.html
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pics of pink Puppy Love box
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And here is the original which was a kitchen spice box according to the MG experts here in the U.S. 50 years later it reappered as a repurposed vanity item.
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ooh that is interesting Ohio. Do you know what the timeframe is for the milk glass version v the pink one please?
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M at least 30 years, original is 1890 the Dermays (which are all marked satin glass) late 20's early 30's. The original MG spice box is not marked.
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Thank you :)
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Court Jester seems to be c.1929
https://magwv.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/E49E85E6-050B-42B5-A9E3-151945453294
The notes from that link say:
'Patented in 1929 by Jerome E. Baum. Has been found with "Dermay Bath Powder" and "Wrigley Quality" paper lablels.(sic) '
Jerome E. Baum seemed to be owner/have interest in Dermay and then retired and sold his interest and became President of the organisation that owned Parfumerie St. Denis, Inc., New York :
https://cleopatrasboudoir.blogspot.com/2014/04/parfumerie-st-denis.html
More info on this GMB thread here :)
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28498.msg154667.html#msg154667
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