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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Connie on March 13, 2005, 02:38:32 PM

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Connie on March 13, 2005, 02:38:32 PM

I have a vase which I believe is a Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch vase.

Here is my  vase  (http://www.grayhorseglass.com/items/100683/en1store.html).

Here is a website (http://members.aol.com/dlfd911/loetzcollection2.html) which shows the same vase at least to my untrained eyes. (Although I think my pics are better)  :lol:

I recently received one of those anonymous e-mails which said -" that is not Loetz."  I thanked them for the info and asked for details and of course, they never responded.

So am I wrong?  If so, what are the distiguishing features?

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Frank on March 13, 2005, 03:30:31 PM

It certainly looks like the one on that site - but I do not know enough about Lötz to see any inconsistency. Very interesting link though!

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Anne on March 14, 2005, 03:12:23 AM

It maybe just the difference in the angles but Connie's one appears to have a shorter neck than the other one. Could this be a variation of being hand-made? Otherwise the body of both looks the same to my (also untrained!)  eyes.

I love the colour of yours Connie - I'm very partial to green glass like this.

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Adam A on March 14, 2005, 10:04:29 AM

Reason for height difference is that the rim of Connie's vase has been ground down. The one on the Loetz website seems to have a hand sheared fire-polished rim, as one would expect. This means that if Connie's is Loetz it has possibly been damaged at some stage and then ground down. I am not commenting on whether or not it is Loetz as this is not my field of expertise. Posted in a rush!

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Frank on March 14, 2005, 01:20:03 PM

Why not ask David, his email is on the first page of that website. Better still invite him to respond on this thread...

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Connie on March 25, 2005, 02:01:25 PM

Bump

I have been out of town.  But I asked David for his opinion and to please join us here.

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Connie on April 02, 2005, 12:42:25 PM

Just a short follow-up.  I did contact Dave and asked for his opinion on my piece and asked that he join us here.

He replied by e-mail and confirmed that my piece is Loetz Oceanic and the same as the one he has pictured on his site.  He had no comment on the top edge finish although I did ask him.

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2005, 01:07:23 PM

Quote from: "grayhorse"

He replied by e-mail and confirmed that my piece is Loetz Oceanic and the same as the one he has pictured on his site.  He had no comment on the top edge finish although I did ask him.

To my (admittedly untrained) eyes, the vase on the website looks to have a cut edge like yours, as do many of the other vases shown on the other pages!   :shock:

Incidentally, my mother-in-law has a rose bowl which I was told is Czech, and looks to me very like Loetz although I have no idea if it is or not.  (Can't get a pic of it at present as it currently resides in m-i-l's cabinet!  :roll:  - will try when next visiting.)

However, m-i-l tells me it once had a metal 'collar' (could have been like the Loetz Kolo Moser Olympia vase on page 7 of David's website) or maybe a grill - it is rose bowl shaped, so this is a definite possibility - but it was thrown away years ago as it became corroded.  

I was wondering if anyone knows whether it's possible to get replacement collars or grills made for this sort of vase / bowl?   :?

Leni

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2005, 01:17:52 PM

Any competent silver smith can make you one.

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Leni on April 02, 2005, 03:14:24 PM

Quote from: "Frank"

Any competent silver smith can make you one.

But I suppose if one wanted to match the original, one would have to find out the maker of the bowl,  :shock:  find out what the original collar or grill looked like,  :? and then find a competent silver-smith prepared to take on the commission, preferably without necessitating the removal of one or more of one's limbs to pay for it   :roll:

Leni  :wink:

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Max on April 02, 2005, 03:57:19 PM

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But I suppose if one wanted to match the original, one would have to find out the maker of the bowl,  find out what the original collar or grill looked like

Or...you could have one made of your own design, and make it personal to you - wouldn't that be lovely?   :D

(is this sacriledge?)

Title: Loetz Oceanik Wellenoptisch Vase
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2005, 04:13:20 PM

If you have it done in the simplest way a ring beaten to shape and a open wire mesh by a silver restorer the cost would be marginal, they would probably have such items in stock needing only minor adjustment. A more elaborate pierced design would cost more and you would need a silversmith who specialises in that type of work.

The nicest option would be to find a silversmith who produces designs you like and get them to design something to suit but in their style. The cost would then be related to their reputation and the elaborateness of their design.

The cost of silver itself would not be high.

It is not sacrilege, more homage :|