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Title: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: casalibre on August 02, 2012, 09:30:43 PM
In my opinion the first paperweight were made about 1845!
Of course , this weight is very interesting:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Briefbeschwerer-Paperweight-NEW-ENGLAND-GLASS-COMPANY-Spaced-Millefiori-/380459273186?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item589523cbe2
but I think it was made about 1850.
Any opinions?
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: Derek on August 03, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
Hi casalibre

My German is non-existant but it appears that the description is referring to the
start and closure of the NEGC factory 1818 - 1888 rather than the actual date
of the paperweight.

Best regards

Derek
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: Wuff on August 03, 2012, 11:08:17 PM
In the meantime the seller has added a comment (1818 is a typo - should be 1851) and apologizes for the "embarrassing error".
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: alpha on August 05, 2012, 12:36:21 AM
Yes, that was good of him to do, but too bad he still has the NEGC attribution wrong.
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: Wuff on August 05, 2012, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: alpha on August 05, 2012, 12:36:21 AM
Yes, that was good of him to do, but too bad he still has the NEGC attribution wrong.
What do you think, it is ?
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: alpha on August 05, 2012, 10:18:17 AM
The millefiori canes have a minimalist use of color and large clear spaces in them. The only company I have seen that had this style of cane is 1970's Pairpoint.
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: casalibre on August 05, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
In my opinion, sorry:
Pairpoint is an absolutely nonesens!
Maybe not NEGC, but what else?
Please look at the shape of the weight: it is of course an antique weight!
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: paperweights on August 05, 2012, 05:02:50 PM
I agree with Alpha that this is appears to be a Pairpoint paperweight.  But since it is so minimalist, I am open to other suggestions. 
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: casalibre on August 05, 2012, 05:07:40 PM
Dear Allan!
OK
Lets open the voting!
I am very interested in a discussion, if this item is antique or not!
(Please look at all the pictures)!!!
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: casalibre on August 05, 2012, 06:15:16 PM
Of course I would like to have a commend of  one of the best: Alan Thornton!
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: mildawg on August 05, 2012, 07:40:39 PM
My name is not Alan, I do not claim to be as knowledgable as Allan or Andy, but like them my name starts with an A (two of them in fact) and I must agree in that I would lean towards pairpoint.

A year or two ago I may have quickly given credit to NEGC.
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: alpha on August 06, 2012, 12:08:13 AM
I asked John Hawley for his thoughts in that he is the NEGC/American antique Millefiori expert having researched and written a number of great books on the topic. His view is that in no way is it NEGC, but he did offer a guess that maybe it was Silesia, late 1800s to near 1900. Alan's thoughts as the English/Belgium expert will be welcomed to try and resolve this puzzle.

I took a gander at Von Brackel's book and I am not convinced about a Silesian origin. I still think that the canes resemble most those of the early Pairpoint.

And lest anyone think I am denigrating the weight - on the contrary - I find it to be a very intellectually interesting piece and worthy of any collection.
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: tropdevin on August 06, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
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I am not an expert on Pairpoint, but I have certainly seen some similar style (but neater) canes in Pairpoint paperweights. The canes do not resemble any NEGC ones that I have seen - nor do I think it is Silesian.

I understand why one might suggest Old English, but I do not recognise any of the canes. If the weight had turned up on my desk I might have suggested it could be Belgian!

A mystery piece, as far as I am concerned.

Alan
Title: Re: Rare NEGC Papetrweight from 1818 ?????????????
Post by: incazzatonero on August 08, 2012, 03:37:37 PM
In my opinion here we have a Pairpoint piece and that is really far away from the discussed item:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/221088194046?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D221088194046%26_rdc%3D1
A mystery piece and nobody knows what it is?