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Title: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 28, 2011, 09:05:24 AM
Mod: This thread originally had a title which included, "... looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode!" The thread began to be assimillated with trekkie references and (psuedo-)Klingon comments. It is now back to basics and the Klingon etc. has been beamed over to the Cafe.

I thought this might possibly be Scottish . No makers marks to base. Thanks for looking . Ta Mike.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: alexander on January 28, 2011, 02:37:02 PM
It's from Murano, I am not 100% sure of maker but I think it was made by Ferro & Lazarini.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 28, 2011, 05:13:03 PM
WoW !!

That is great news ! This is the first landscape Murano I have been aware of (which doesn't say much! ) ! Were these being produced in the 1970's  do you think, or is it later ? Many thanks Alex you are a star !! Cheers, Mike.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: alexander on January 28, 2011, 11:52:42 PM
These look very 70'ies and that would be my guess too, or early 80'ies.

I have a similar one, I really like these as they are very clean and crisp :)

I think the aventurine looks really good sitting there as a glittering rock.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 29, 2011, 12:41:37 AM
Thanks Alex,

I totally agree and thanks for putting a date on it ....The photos I took don't really show how glittery the rocks are ..they look dull in the photos, just copper rocks ! In reality they really do shine ! :sun:

The weight is very well made too , .... Ta, Mike  :t: 
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: TxSilver on January 29, 2011, 03:10:39 PM
The rocks look like goldstone to me. Most goldstone is manmade. I have some large rocks around the house. It is really aventurine glass made into a dense rock form. This is the first time I've seen it in a paperweight. The bubbles make it look even more interesting.

Mod: In the original thread (with all the Klingon comments etc.), Keith responded:

"Thanks Anita for clarifying Goldstone...I'm glad you like it and havn't seen it before."
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks !..looks like scenery from an old Star Trek episode !
Post by: johnphilip on January 29, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
Anyone want another one ?  :D ;D
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: glassobsessed on March 12, 2011, 02:17:10 PM
Here is one with a label, the photos are not the best.

John
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: johnphilip on March 12, 2011, 06:33:39 PM
Sold mine on ebay two weeks ago , if anyone wants to see it no 120687218687 , i sold another interesting very large weight today i would love opinions on it three German bidders ? Yes the gold colour is much brighter than the picture .
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: KevinH on March 12, 2011, 09:45:55 PM
If a label states "Hand Made by Italian Crafstmen" then my first thought is that the label is simply used by an importer / exporter and the item may have been made almost anywhere by crafstmen who happen to be Italian.

If an item is by a well-known Italian company, then surely it would add to the kudos of the sale to have a company label?

JP, in your eBay listing you said, "I believe it is by Fratelli Toso or a similar number one furnace". Was that just sales patter or do you really think these could be by the likes of Fratelli Toso?

Is there any evidence of Murano (or other Italian) items with a ground that looks very similar to the commonly seen Caithness (and some other Scottish) finishes? I really don't know too much anout Murano weights so this type of ground is outside of my current experience. Hence the question.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: johnphilip on March 12, 2011, 11:20:35 PM
Yes Kevin i do believe it to be FT having had this one and comparing it with FTs with labels . Sales patter whats that ? if i didnt beleive it i wouldnt put it , read my feedback . :cry:
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: alexander on March 13, 2011, 02:57:35 PM
My reasons for giving F&L as a possible maker ;

The black base with aventurine on top is a common feature for F&L, in one of their better known designs (shown on page 54 of Paperweights by Sibylle Jargstorf and paperweight #4 on this page on Alan's site (http://www.pwts.co.uk/pages/Murano%20FandL.htm)) the black base with aventurine is used as a background for a scattering of millefiori.

IMHO the technical quality of F&L paperweights are on par with Galliano Ferro and superior to quite a few of the other makers (and quite frankly I think surpasses a lot of the FT designs).
Canes, when used, were usually crisp and clear - not distorted and "squshed" together in the fashion that can be seen in so
many weights made in Murano. 

I would be very interested to see similar weights with FT labels as I have not seen FT labeled weights with this base or dome shape before.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Copper Aventurine rocks ! ID = Murano
Post by: johnphilip on March 13, 2011, 03:14:37 PM
Sorry my memory is not so good these days - old age and very stressed - maybe it was FL and not FT ,i apologise for any confusion all my weights were bought at least 15 years ago then i lost interest . Must do some revision and take more care . thanks . :cry: