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Title: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on April 27, 2007, 05:19:30 PM
Hi,

I was lucky enough to get a 'Green Leaves' three section dish today  ;D
What I wanted to ask was, on David E's site he says the white background is printed on the reverse. But on this one, it looks opal flashed on the top surface. Is this a known variant?

Many thanks in advance.

robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on April 27, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
To the best of my knowledge, all Green Leaves will be opal-flashed on the top-side, except for the glassware (tumblers, etc.) which will be clear glass. That part of the web site has not been updated since it was created, so it is out of date. One other point is that the rims should be lined with green as well. I do already have the 3-segment rectangular tray.

Very good find, Robbo, as this pattern is very rare.
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on April 27, 2007, 05:54:57 PM
Thanks David,

When I first saw it, my eyes nearly popped out  ;)
The rim is green. I'm still going through the "new purchase euphoria" phase, but it really is the best looking piece of Chance I've picked up in the last five years of Charity shopping!

Not bad for a fiver?  8)

robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on April 28, 2007, 12:32:08 PM
An excellent find and, IMHO, one of the better designs. Staggering to think that it never succeeded, despite a reasonable promotion by Chance. Perhaps it was too far ahead of its time, but at this time Chacne were aiming for the elite market and perhaps the modernist design coupled with a high price, proved off-putting?

Whatever, the design certainly would not look out of place today!
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Max on April 28, 2007, 12:45:14 PM
Photo please Robbo.   :D
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on April 28, 2007, 12:48:43 PM
On my site Max:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greenleaves.jpg)
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Frank on April 28, 2007, 02:03:02 PM
David,

Not easy to find, I found the same thumbnail you put above, here http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/pages_fiesta/fiesta_patt-graphic2.html but it does not seem to lead anywhere? I also checked floral and a few others?
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on April 28, 2007, 02:25:26 PM
Here's a piccy of the whole thing:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/green_leaves.jpg (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/green_leaves.jpg)

robbo

Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on April 28, 2007, 02:53:29 PM
The problem of categorising the various patterns occurs when you have to distinguish between graphic, pictorial and floral patterns. Personally, I feel that Green Leaves was far too stylised to be placed in the latter. Silhouette is another that borders on both.

None of the thumbnails are clickable - they were never meant to be when there are also so many different styles and shapes to consider overall, so the web site was purely set up to identify patterns. The book will show items in far greater detail, along with accompanying text.
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Frank on April 28, 2007, 05:38:39 PM
OK, just got a bit confused  ;)

But as to categories... it is better to make more categories and assign each design to as many categories as fit. Floral is the natural choice for an image like that (for me at least) and graphic was almost my last choice  :o  The joys of language. I have similar problems at the zoo...
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Max on April 28, 2007, 08:06:26 PM
Thanks David, but I really wanted to see Robbo's plate in all its glory.  ;) And wow!  Fantastic!  I'm dead envious, because that's a classy bit of Chance glass.  Well done Robbo!   :D :D

Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Anne on April 28, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I'm as green as the leaves on the plate too, Max! Well done Robbo, that is a super piece and one of the few Chance designs I really like.
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on April 29, 2007, 10:02:59 AM
Thanks for the kind comments everyone -- I think it should be Margaret Casson who deserves congratulation! A true 50s classic.
I'm still on the look out for Wild Rice...

I've a whole box of the doilies and florals, so nice to find a piece I actually like  ;D

robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on April 29, 2007, 10:04:34 AM
I'm still on the look out for Wild Rice...

So was Max, until the seller dropped it on the floor... >:(
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on January 03, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Here's a couple of circular dishes I found recently. The leaves are a different shape to the three section dish.

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 03, 2008, 07:40:50 PM
Hmm, looks like something different to me. Have they got green edges?
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on January 03, 2008, 08:01:38 PM
Hi Christine,
Yes they have green edges; apart from the leaf shape everything about them is the same.
The glass is the same thickness, opal flashed on the top surface, same broken zig-zaggy type design on the background (printed in white, underneath the green, difficult to see in my photo). The leaf with the broken green outline has white cross-hatching as the other has, although the cross-hatching on all the leaves is much closer together than on the other dish.

Admittedly the leaves look more like rockets!

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 03, 2008, 09:00:18 PM
More hmm. Size?
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on January 03, 2008, 09:26:02 PM
Hi Christine,
Diameter is 19.3cm.
Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 03, 2008, 09:32:55 PM
That's 7.5 in, which according to 'the book' by Mr Encill would appear to be a bit to small or too large, depending on how you look at it  :huh:
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on January 03, 2008, 09:41:22 PM
Hi Christine,
I'll try and take a better photo tomorrow, in natural light (difficult at this time of year  :) ). The green is exactly the same shade.
Best wishes,
Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on January 04, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
That's 7.5 in, which according to 'the book' by Mr Encill would appear to be a bit to small or too large, depending on how you look at it  :huh:
Wow, those are very interesting Robbo :o and, IMHO, definitely Green Leaves. I also have a photo in 'da book' of a tumbler (courtesy Graham Cooley) with a different design, although I still can't be 100% sure if this is Green Leaves.

The nearest sized bowl I have noted is 8 in, but this could vary depending on the size of the blank used, and sizes would undoubtably alter over the years when new moulds were made to replace older ones. Good point though. What is the height, Robbo?

Whatever... they definitely need to be donated to a museum (mine) >:D
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on January 04, 2008, 05:10:27 PM
Hi David,

Here's a slightly better photo. The height is 3.7cm.
The only shapes I've seen are these and the three sectioned dish; is it possible that each shape had a slightly different design?  :huh:

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on January 04, 2008, 06:15:14 PM
That's 1½ in. in real money ;)

This fits in with the sizes I have, so I'm certain this is Chance. This is the third definite Green Leaves shape I have seen: 3-seg tray, 6x4¾-in rectangular deep dish, and these round dishes. However, I would expect more shapes like plates and different size dishes: Green Leaves was a full tableware set!

Yes, the pattern could quite easily alter from one shape to another.

One person who probably has a full set is the Casson's daughter, so I might ask her for a photo.
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on March 04, 2008, 09:09:18 PM
Hi everyone,

Yesterday I found another one! A circular dish but slightly smaller than the others (6½" diameter, just over 1" high). Again, the leaf shape is different.

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on March 04, 2008, 09:49:37 PM
Cool! But what is surprising is the difference in the patterns :o

One would have expected all the designs to have conformed, but that's three different ones so far, and then there's the tumbler as well :huh:

Robbo, can you send me high-resolution photos of these, please? I will include them in the update files.
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on March 04, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
Hi David,

I'll try and take some better photos in natural light and send them to you - they just don't seem to photo well in artificial light.
It's very interesting, looking possibly like a 'harlequin' type range of differing but related designs  :huh: ??. If that is the case it would mean the tumbler design makes more sense. I wonder if someone with botanical knowledge can identify the different leaves?

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on March 05, 2008, 08:44:10 AM
Many thanks - are you going to Dulwich, by any 'chance'? :)

That last dish looks like a stylised oak leaf
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 05, 2008, 12:48:45 PM
Don't write a botany book David  ;), that's an ivy leaf
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on March 05, 2008, 04:54:10 PM
Ah, well I got the right amount of letters anyway... ;)
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on March 05, 2008, 06:02:08 PM
David,

I've e-mailed the photos. I'll be at Dulwich, so I'll bring the dishes along. I'll probably be at Gaydon the week before too.
I wonder what might be on the "diamond" shaped dish?  :o

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on March 05, 2008, 06:18:57 PM
Robbo, thanks for the photos they really are good  :clap: :D

I'll take my 3-seg. tray to Dulwich, so it will save you lugging that along. I look forward to seeing the other two patterns. I know there is a diamond tray (as well as small and large bowls) so all these could feature different designs. Fascinating to find out! I have been in touch with Carola, the Casson's daughter, but sadly she will be unable to make Dulwich :-\
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: robbo on March 05, 2008, 07:15:42 PM
...so all these could feature different designs. Fascinating to find out!...

I guess they're not red maple or copper beech :spls: Somebody somewhere must have them in their cupboard! I suppose only time will tell.

I still haven't found "Wild Rice" or "Golden Lagoon". Since having da book I have to check the pyrex to make sure it's not Orlak....and look at all the Calypto to check there's no Koala hiding amongst the leaves ::)

Robbo
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: yelooc on March 06, 2008, 08:59:53 AM
There is a green leaves tray on ebay.

Item number 290212050919
Title: Re: Question about Chance Bros. 'Green Leaves'
Post by: David E on March 06, 2008, 10:06:13 AM
I guess they're not red maple or copper beech :spls: Somebody somewhere must have them in their cupboard! I suppose only time will tell.

I still haven't found "Wild Rice" or "Golden Lagoon". Since having da book I have to check the pyrex to make sure it's not Orlak....and look at all the Calypto to check there's no Koala hiding amongst the leaves ::)

Robbo
I do know someone with, I think, a full set of Green Leaves! Orlak and Wild Rice are toughies, but I do have a large triangular Golden Lagoon dish.