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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Baked_Beans on July 05, 2014, 03:34:50 PM

Title: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 05, 2014, 03:34:50 PM

I thought this might be by Welz . It's 17.5 cm in height. Any chance of a date and maker ? There is quite a bit of age scratching to the base. Thanks for having a look, ta, Mike. :)

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 05, 2014, 04:54:23 PM

I think there is a strong possibility that it is by Welz......please scroll down to the very last photo of a vase on the right. :)

http://www.kralik-glass.com/welzresearchhoneycomb.html


Here is a better profile pic..

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: keith on July 05, 2014, 08:27:08 PM

Looks ok to me, they did some odd shapes eh ? ;D ;D some of mine, ;D

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 06, 2014, 07:20:46 AM

Wow ! Thanks Keith , are they limpets attached to your bud vase ?   :o

Do you think these were made around 1900-20 ,  or could they be later ? Ta, Mike.

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Ivo on July 06, 2014, 07:53:40 AM

and another trophy on a pedestal.

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 07, 2014, 07:26:20 AM

Thanks Ivo, looks like the exact same combination of colours as used with my bud vase !  :)

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 07, 2014, 11:43:59 PM

The pedestal , looks to me to be the same shape as the pedestal on the Novy Bor example but the trophy shape is different. However , given the decor , can I now say that this is a Welz vase for sure or is there still a certain amount of doubt (which without design records there must be, I guess) ?  Also, any idea of date ? I realise it's a difficult question to answer but would it be more likely to have been made during the inter-war period perhaps ? 

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: keith on July 08, 2014, 11:39:41 AM

Craig has been working on 'Welz' for sometime and is probably the best person to ask, ;D

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 09, 2014, 12:35:04 AM

Thanks Keith ,  I'm still working my way through Craig's superb website !

I do have a lidded trinket bowl/dish  which has the same oxblood red plus white and yellow but also has a few spots of green . One of the green splodges seems to have mica in it as Craig mentioned in his research on Welz. The dish looks c1920's (perhaps 1930's) and I will post some pics. here when I can get a chance. Ta, Mike. 

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 09, 2014, 07:27:08 PM

Here are the pics of the lidded bowl. The surface looks smooth but is in fact  wrythen  , it's more noticeable on the base but I couldn't capture it on camera. It's quite a wacky design (as usual !) . To my eyes it looks sort of 1920/30's ish , perhaps.  :) The pontil mark has been roughly ground and the diameter to the rim of the bowl is 10.5 cm (not including the clear frilly bits  :o !)   As I said above there is a small element of green and only one green streak has some glittery inclusions which might be mica. I thought this could help in some way for a date....on the other hand it might not !

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: keith on July 09, 2014, 07:31:52 PM

Had one similar but without the frilly bits, I'm afraid it had an accident that was beyond repair, :o ::) ;D ;D

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 09, 2014, 08:58:32 PM

lol ! It's a good job the frilly bits were ditched !  ;D

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 12, 2014, 01:19:20 PM

I now don't think the sparkly bits in the green are mica ...more like ground up bits of green glass ! But they do sparkle in the light  ::)  I don't wish to give any false information here ...my apologies . The lidded bowl lacks quality and might well be a red herring  :-X

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 12, 2014, 01:51:36 PM

Ground up glass would melt; could be mica in green glass or green aventurine

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 12, 2014, 02:14:56 PM

Thanks Christine  ;) Might well be green aventurine then as the particles actually look green in colour (a darker green than the green that surrounds them) and glint only when they catch the light at different angles.

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 13, 2014, 06:38:21 PM

Here are some nice examples......

https://www.etsy.com/listing/195286971/antique-stevens-williams-cottage-glass?ref=related-0



https://www.etsy.com/listing/190032278/antique-art-glass-stevens-williams?ref=related-0

There is some confusion out there in internet land  ;)

Title: Re: Bud vase with three applied handles , Franz Welz perhaps ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on July 16, 2014, 11:07:47 AM

Here is a vase with the same green aventurine inclusions .........

http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_219&products_id=2497

Thanks , Mike.