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Title: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: vitowitt on December 03, 2012, 05:45:58 PM
This is a beautiful vase with a very smooth feel to the glass. There is no markings and really don't know much about this type of glass. Any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Paul S. on December 03, 2012, 07:17:52 PM
not remotely my area, but I get the feeling someone, somewhere, is trying to suggest Mt. Washington Burmese  -  although the yellow looks too yellow     Have there been copies of Burmese in recent times.          It might be worth trying the uv torch, if you have one.          Ironically, I think the originals did include some classical shapes.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 03, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Hi and welcome!  :)
(and, pretty please, don't "shout", we can read normal script far more easily than a screed of capitals!)
Paul if that's Burmese - it's burnt Burmese! However, I don't think there's white on true Burmese, is ther?
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Paul S. on December 03, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
dear Sue..........no, I really don't think this is genuine Burmese, but.........there is no doubt that the colourway is not too dissimilar - and even before I opened the Grover's book it was Burmese that came to mind.        Top down, and starting with that matt cinnamon into a creamy yellowish buff, would appear to be a Burmese signature..........but I did only say someone was suggesting that type of glass.         Am sure you're correct and that white doesn't appear in the originals.        However, where this comes from I've not the remotest idea. :)
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 03, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
Christine's been teaching me Paul,  ;D , using real examples I was able to handle and study. If there's cinnamon at the top, that's burnt. As it happens I prefer it, Christine likes it too, but for the purist, it should be pink at the top.  8)
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Paul S. on December 03, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
you're lucky to have such a teacher - I have to make do with books ;)        I was looking through Grover, Barrie Skelcher and a Thomas Webb booklet  -  there seems to be a little variation in depth/strength of colours - as you'd expect perhaps, so maybe depended on how much gold and method of re-heating process.         I've never owned a piece and not my area at all, but understand there have been unscrupulous characters who have removed the name from Fenton pieces hoping perhaps to create a older provenance, attracted by the fact that original pieces can fetch big money.

As mentioned, I was simply drawing attention to what I thought was an attempt to copy the approximate colourway - with the added connection that some of the original Mt. Washington material was produced in shapes influenced by Greek urns or similar.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ohio on December 04, 2012, 01:41:08 AM
Mt. Washington Burmese can be peach to yellow to white or peach to yellow or peach to white. Webb can also be peach to white, peach to yellow. Best book on Burmese is Sisk's Mt. Washington Art Glass with a special section dealing with Webb. 47 pages devoted to Mt. Washington Burmese & 14 pages devoted to Webb Burmese. There are so many Murano versions of Burmese it isn't even funny, but fortunately 99% of them will not react to a blacklight & the colors simply are not right.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: vitowitt on December 04, 2012, 04:43:59 AM
I appreciate everyone's responses and sorry with the all caps post was in a hurry and forgot to correct it. Just a note that I would't call some of the color as being white it's almost a cream colored with a yellowish tint and it's hard to see it correctly with the lighting in my pictures. Also, the inside and the bottom of the vase is UV reactive just to note. Thanks
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ohio on December 04, 2012, 06:07:58 AM
OK now I'am a bit confused when you say the inside & bottom are reactive. What about the body of the vase? You should be able to simply place the body against a blacklight & the entire piece will react. This isn't cased with a white lining is it?
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 04, 2012, 07:27:22 AM
Can we see a rim shot please. Perhaps the yellow to dark peach shaded layer does not contain uranium, just the creamy white base layer.
In this, the uranium is not in the yellow
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1638
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ivo on December 04, 2012, 08:11:01 AM
12 cm with a Pilgrim label...
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ohio on December 04, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
Thats Pilgrim's Peachblow.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: vitowitt on December 04, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
The outside of the vase is reactive, but is more prominent on the lower half and smaller portion of the upper half of the vase. I'm sorry my camera seems to dim as the photo is taken and I can't take any useful pictures of the whole vase like I would like. The darker portions of the vase seems to be less reactive than the lighter portions. Again, my knowledge in this particular area is limited and what I'm trying to describe may be exactly how the piece is supposed to look, but I just find it interesting. Example, I have a older Fenton burmese vase and when it's under the UV light the whole piece lights up in a uniform color. The vase were discussing doesn't have a uniform color when under the UV light certain areas are much brighter than other areas. This is probably how it's supposed to look when viewed under a UV light. I failed to make mention of this in my initial post and didn't know if this would help with identifying this piece.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Fuhrman Glass on December 04, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
this could be from many places as before mentioned but could also be from these as well as they made some of this burmese. Guerney Glass, cambridge, OH in the early 70's late 60's. there have also been quite a number of small shops that remelted Fenton Burmese cullet and made items. including Gibson Glass who was in WV. The original guy that did the formulations for Guernsey was from an old factory in PA that brought those formulas with him, not sure which factory so that may be another source. I've used some of the Fenton Burmese cullet on a few occasions but never got it to restrike quite like the one shown, but it can do different things based on flame and temperature control. all are UV sensitive. Not too many shops have made UV sensitive glass in the last 30 years as the acquisition of depleted uranium used to make this glass was not that easy after WWII. I do know that Fenton, Mosser, and a few others in the US did.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ohio on December 04, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
I am relatively certain the vase in question is not Guernsey. Harold Bennett (Guernsey owner) bought Salvatore Diana's small Ventian Glass operation in 1967 under condition Salvatore would stick around to show Harold & his crew how to fire the Murano Burmese formula which he did before going back to Italy. Harold's Peachblow was frankly not good (and I am being kind) & after producing about 250 pieces Harold gave up the project. Rumor was that Si Wright was trying to see if Harold could produce a suitable (stable & uniform) Peachblow formula that  Si might use because Salvatore was shutting down his operation & Si was looking for an additional source for his operation. That never happened. I thought it might be an IG (Imperial) Peachblow 2nd because of the form design used, but it doesn't quite match up...close but no cigar. Its not Kanawha either...I suspect its one of the Murano imports brought in by AA Importing as their white interior casing stuff would react, but thats just my thought .
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: vitowitt on December 04, 2012, 11:58:50 PM
I don't know, but I found a antique gallery which sold or is selling almost the same vase, but i could be wrong. Could anyone tell me what you think about what this website has to say about this vase? 

http://atlantaantiquegallery.com/i-7945933-rare-brown-to-yellow-peach-blow-satin-glass-vase.html
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Ohio on December 05, 2012, 12:18:33 AM
Not the same type at all in my opinion. Yours is far more Burmese-type than Peachblow in coloration...topic just got sidetracked into a mini-Peachblow discussion...it happens. Good news though that yours reacts as it eliminates 95% of the wanna-bes.
Title: Re: NEED HELP WITH ID IS THIS FENTON, WHEELING, MT. WASHINGTON???
Post by: Fuhrman Glass on December 05, 2012, 02:23:00 AM
I agree, Harold's never was what it should have been, but he had lots of fun with it. I hadn't remembered the name of the company he had scavenged onto, thanks for the info. I still have a few pieces of Harold's around somewhere. I used to sell to A&A but never saw the peachblow that they brought in. Some of their other stuff is now classic collectibles like their opalescent thumbprint stuff that came in from Korea, at least that's what the label on it said. I think you're right in pegging this piece as a Murano piece though.