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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Gary on October 11, 2011, 08:16:28 AM
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Has anyone seen this type of finish on a Monart vase. Tried to put a link for it but just comes up as "server error". The sale is at Eastbourne Auction Rooms
Fine Art, Antiques & Collectables - Thursday 27th October 2011 to Friday 28th October 2011Eastbourne Auction Rooms lot 1434.
Gary
Mod: Direct link for ease of finding... http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/eastbourne-auction-rooms/catalogue-id-2845767/lot-12313208# (http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/eastbourne-auction-rooms/catalogue-id-2845767/lot-12313208#)
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I can't find it!
What does it look like?
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http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/search-results?searchTerm=monart&x=53&y=11
new link.
Gary
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I reckon simply not Monart.
Scroll down a bit and you'll see one of the combed-with-mica Czech vases, also listed as Monart.
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Perhaps Lot 1434 in the Eastbourne auction simply has a wrong photo - there is no label to the base as suggested in the description and I suspect the vase shown could be ceramic not glass. Looks like a set of holes in the base!
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But is that the base?
Which way up should it be? Some of the pics are upside down, if the blue is at the base.............
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It is the top of the vase that has the holes in it, the base has a Monart Glass label,which has a shape code LD and a colour 42B, can not read size code. The shape code and the colour code IMHO look right to me. You will have to scroll down on web page to see label
Gary
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:pb:
duh - I didn't see there was another pic! I know very little about labels - does this one look thumb smudged?
And is the top of the thing closed over with holes in it?
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It's worth looking at the auctioneer's condition report - that'll explain a bit more.
Ron
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It took some tracking down!
This is the report.
"The vase has been drilled to the side at the bottom for lamp base use, there is a glued in wooden plug to the opening of the vase and some pewter flowers have been glued onto the vase body."
It's a glue-job.
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It is a vase lamp, all OK, good chance it has part of original insert at the top. Bit unfortunate that someone later found it to plain and 'dolled' it up a bit - but it should be easy to remove the gunk.
Really must remember to hit post ::) so maybe not original fitting at top! I have seen that shape with original lamp fitting too.
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The blue and pink Monart vase has had two things done to it.
Firstly, its been 'lamped', ie. drilled and plugged to take a bulb holder. Secondly, it was fashionable at one time to add pewter decoration to glass, ceramics and wooden boxes, etc. The problem with this is that it is not always just the removal of the pewter and glue, because often the edges of the pewter have been scored into the surface (possible being cut onto that surface?), so leaving scratches, sometimes deep.
The green piece appears wrong, as is the lattice one pointed out by Sue.
Nigel
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Green bit is Czech too, I reckon - not necessarily the same maker as the combed and mica'd bit - that maker hasn't been tracked down yet, have they?
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Which green piece?
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Thanks Nigel, that was very interesting to learn about the pewter inclusion. I couldn't work out what it was from the image. Thanks, again!
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The green thing under the item inquestion, Frank.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/taylors-auction-rooms/catalogue-id-2848423/lot-12270119
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Oh that one. It is reminiscent of plate 89 in Ysart Glass... but not the same and it could be an OK piece of Monart. Shape is problematic but could be the elusive AK, guess it would need handling.
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Frank, Lot 1007, I have concerns about, and would be happier if I was able to handle it.
Nigel
PS. Just realised that I hadn't turned the page to the next two entries ::)
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The green vase in Taylors Auction Rooms (auction due on 15/10/11) was sold at Bonhams Chester sale on 16/8/11. Also most of the Monart and Nazeing in the Bonhams sale (which I believe all sold) have reappeared at this Taylors auction with very similar estimates. I don't understand this - maybe someone can enlighten me.
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Most of the other Monart for sale at Taylors auction were sold at Bonham's (Edinburgh) Scottish Sale on the 16/09/11 and I believe bought by one dealer. The esitmates at Taylors auction are similar to what the dealer paid at Bonhams (Edinburgh).
Gary