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Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 21, 2006, 08:41:07 AM

I've seen these vases described as Val ST Lambert and Czech, do the experts fancy a vote on this? Cheers, Gill

URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3357

URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3356

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Mike M on September 21, 2006, 10:42:59 AM

I've seen smaller pieces in this pattern marked

'Made in Czechoslovakia'

So My vote is Czech

Cheers

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 21, 2006, 11:27:46 AM

Thankyou very much Mike!

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Anne on September 21, 2006, 03:20:16 PM

Just to muddy the waters slightly, Pamela has a pink clear vase in this pattern listed as VSL on her wonderful website here: http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/02640.html
and when I was at the 1st Northern Glass Fair last year (in Harrogate) there was a lady with a whole stall full of this stuff (mainly amber), which she had marked as Czech - some of them can be seen here:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-294

I know we have discussed these before - see thread here for thoughts at that time: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2196.0.html

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2006, 03:54:50 PM

And I'll muddy the waters even more - I suspect there is another maker (that isn't Czech and isn't VSL). More about this when I can confirm further.

Glen

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2006, 04:55:11 PM

I'd also like to add that it is not without precedent that more than one factory should produce the same pattern. Two examples for now (there are more):

Brockwitz and Eda Glasbruks produced "Rose Garden" (Rosor  / Rosas) items. There are specific details surrounding this.

Sowerby and Inwald produced "Pinwheel" - also a third manufacturer is very possible. Again, there are specific details.

Glen

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 21, 2006, 06:22:45 PM

Wow everyone, thanks! Had a look at the links, difficult to say isn't it, I must admit they "seemed" Czech to me before I saw Pamela's site, very interested in the third alternative Glen.

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 21, 2006, 07:06:18 PM

Andy McConnell has a pink one marked Czechoslovakia. page 18 20th Century Glass

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: pamela on September 22, 2006, 08:33:57 PM

Hi to all!
Just a short notice on this one: my pressglas-pavillon site is not up to date unfortunately, especially in this item!  :oops:
latest news from Hamburg is: it is NOT VSL
(I've returned from a short holiday trip an hour ago - it's nice to be back here!  :D  )

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 22, 2006, 09:28:09 PM

Thanks for the HOT news Pamela :D

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Anne on September 22, 2006, 10:16:19 PM

Good to see you back Pamela, hope you have a great holiday.  Thanks for the update on the VSL attribution... that had me puzzled and I was hoping you'd come and explain it for us. :) So, VSL it's not, which makes Czech seems more likely - unless Glen can tell us differently when she knows more.

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: pamela on September 22, 2006, 10:39:40 PM

I may explain: I had visitors to my museum nearly two years ago who told me it is VSL in any case - I was so thankful for ANY attribution at that time, the result of this beautiful forum is: obviously misattributed - I beg to apologize for that!
THIS is not VSL - as far as we know at present date:

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02642.html

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/02640.html

 :cry:  :?

Title: very nice
Post by: wrightoutlook on September 23, 2006, 12:10:05 AM

Regardless of where they're from, they are truly beautiful. The amber-colored piece is especially stunning.

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 23, 2006, 09:52:02 AM

Thanks again everyone! Looks like they're Czech then, yes they are lovely, and guess what, I picked up a bowl today in uranium, could post a pic if anyone interested, I LOVE Pamela's site too!

Title: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Gill on September 23, 2006, 10:13:06 AM

Here's the uranium bowl  :)



URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3385

URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3384

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Hotglass on October 18, 2007, 03:49:55 PM

Another pair in this pattern but in topaz smoke and this time marked:
"CZECHO-SLOVAKIA" (acid stamp)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ3161114315
10.5in (27 ?cm) from Holland
Ed.

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 18, 2007, 06:08:39 PM

I know Glen has been very busy, but hope she can spare time to reveal all now

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Sklounion on January 21, 2008, 07:31:29 PM

I can confirm that these are Czech, Carl Stölzle, Hermanshütte..... pattern number will await a posting of the dimensions.
Regards,
Marcus

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 21, 2008, 08:32:51 PM

Thank you. Does that include all the bowl, plate and jug variants. i.e., was it a range of stuff?

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Sklounion on January 21, 2008, 08:54:10 PM

Hi Christine, there were 42 items in the range, and many size variants also.
Sorry, this all comes from info gathered in the last ten days, but I am trawling older threads first, to try to help you, Pamela, and others, with long-standing unknowns.....
Regards,
Marcus

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 21, 2008, 09:02:29 PM

It's great info Marcus, thank you

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: pamela on January 22, 2008, 10:41:48 AM

 :hiclp:
thank you Marcus, leaving for the museum for measurements  :-*

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Glen on January 22, 2008, 01:16:35 PM

Just for comparison, here are the items I was referring to in the previous posts. They are bowls and plates from Stolle Niemen (Poland), 1926-35).

GT

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Sklounion on January 22, 2008, 02:08:38 PM

Thanks for this Glen, certainly then multiple manufacturers.
I know from the Stolzle pattern numbers they are similar period of design, though made well into the 1950s.
Regards,
Marcus

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 22, 2008, 04:15:00 PM

Hmm, now how do we tell the difference?  :huh:

Title: Re: Czech or Val St Lambert? Art Deco Vases
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 05, 2008, 08:25:55 PM

These two topics need linking as they both have the same answer, thanks Marcus http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2598.0.html