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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: David555 on December 29, 2005, 03:07:27 AM
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Hi
Some recent buys
Sommerso faceted vase cased with grey – I think it is ‘rare earth’ and changes colour to lilac? (How do you get that to work again) 8.5” high, weight 1.2k
Has some mildew to inner that I can’t budge any ideas – I get these sometimes and it’s like the milky white is surface etched with acid? What does remove it? I don’t mean vinegar or Cilet Bang. Any ideas on maker, lots of tiny cross hatched marks to base.
vase (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greysommersofacet9vi.jpg)
Striped Italian vase – dark green stripes overlaid with light green, white stripes, aventurine stripes, 9.5” high, 1.2k weight, fantastically made with hand ground and polished rim. Sticker to base I thought was more interesting till scanner got hold of it., round gold ‘Made in Italy’ Any ideas?
vase (http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/StripeItaly.jpg)
label (http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=labelcopy1ke.jpg)
Bottle vase with tall neck, 16” high, weight 1.3k. I think may be Italian as it is so well made. Orange colour with copious amounts of silver foil throughout, has an high crafted feel to it with ground and polished base with ground concave pontil
vase (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orangemica4hk.jpg)
Adam P
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I think it is ‘rare earth’ and changes colour to lilac? (How do you get that to work again)
It's all in Peter's thread here Adam. :)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1277.0.html
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Thanks Anne
Hope you had a good Xmas :D :D
Neodymium was the name I was looking for, used a lot by Czech factories as well. Thanks that is the thread I needed.
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Adam your second vase is very similar to a Dino Martens meza filligrana vase and is really nice. If I get a chance later I'll check the pattern book of his shapes for you. Any chance of a piccy of the label, the most common Made in Italy label used by Aureliano Toso with his work was an almost yellow colour.
Paul
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Thanks Paul
I knew I forgot something :oops:
Label link now in place above
Adam
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Well the labels the same as on a number of the Aureliano and Toso pieces I've got by Dino Martens so looks promising, I'll get back to you on the shape.
Paul
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#1 Not Neo or Czech IMHO. Just classic Murano
#2 I leave this one in Chuggy's capable hands
#3 I don't think this is Murano ....
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The label for number 2 says "made in Murano," and does not look like any A. Toso label I've ever seen. The picture of the vase seems to be gone.
Laura
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Hi Laura
The label says 'Made in Italy'
I was using 'Image Shack' but have changed server to AOL so you should be able to see the vase now.
Thanks Peter - I was thinking neo as 'why would anyone make a sommerso vase in that dull grey shade', but I forgot I have seen a fair few that are a simple grey with no glow to go as it were (I must buy a UV pen thing). Do you know how to get that mildew out, I mean without taking sandpaper to it LOL.
The last is a strange one, I have pictures (Vetri Di Murano by Bestetti) that show similar shapes with bubbles and foil used by 'Conterie & Cristallerie' c1960. Items were not signed according to book and designed by Antonio Pagan / Poli
But similar or hunch is not enough - it was not expensive and looks fabulous
The above book has good photos of 'Conterie & Cristallerie' controlled bubble vases by Antonio Pagan - I know there was some talk about these before Xmas so if anyone wants a scan just shout
Adam P
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Hi Laura
Within my Martens Mezza filligrana pieces I've got 4 items with the same label including a swan, and 2 vases identical to some of those in the Hal Meltzar sale catalogue that I bought from you, thats why I am sure it's an Aureliano Toso label.
Paul
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Hi
Some recent buys
Sommerso faceted vase cased with grey – I think it is ‘rare earth’ and changes colour to lilac? (How do you get that to work again) 8.5” high, weight 1.2k
Has some mildew to inner that I can’t budge any ideas – I get these sometimes and it’s like the milky white is surface etched with acid? What does remove it? I don’t mean vinegar or Cilet Bang. Any ideas on maker, lots of tiny cross hatched marks to base.
Adam P
Hi Adam. Have you tried one of those proprietary brands that you can buy in supermarkets specifically for getting rid of mildew/mould in bathrooms? They come in a spray bottle. Can't think of the name offhand, but pretty common on shelves. It works on a variety of surfaces.
Anne E.B. :wink:
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Hi Paul,
I must be losing my mind - I can't remember the label. What's wrong with me? :oops:
I'm going to go back through my A. Toso photos to see if I've shot this label before. I'll report back what I find.
Laura
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Thanks for all the help Paul and Laura
Anne I have tried Caustic Soda and it won't shift, I am sure it is something to do with the water in Scotland LOL
I should shoot some photos and post in the cafe, I have some really scaled bits - glass that is :oops:
Adam P
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I am on a mission to try to find a solution to the ? limescale deposits in the first few microns of the glass.
Hence contacting http://www.thewaterstaindoctor.co.nz/. and awaiting their reply. I reckon we will all be very happy when someone solves that problem!
Ruth
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Hello Everyone and Happy New Year!
On the green filigrana piece, I dont think that little yellow Made In Italy label is not just an A. Toso label. I have had it on Seguso pieces, Fratelli Toso, Barovier and even Avem pieces before. I actually have 1 Avem Tutty Frutti holder, 2 Seguso figures, and 1 Barovier piece with the label in my possesion right now. Unless I am mistaken about all, I think this is just an import label. Maybe it was used between a particular date or a particular import company, but its very hard to say. At leat I am without an answer to that.
Javier
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David
I assume you're talking about something different to water 'staining'? That opaque kind of whitishness that develops sometimes in vases? There isn't really a cure for that, as the water has actually etched into the surface of the glass.
You could try having the glass tumbled - which isn't always possible or desirable. You can cover the damage with a silicon based oil and a bendy utensil to apply it to hard to reach places. Covering it with silicon based oil isn't a proper cure though, just a good disguise.
Perhaps you mean another type of water damage though? :? :)
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Thanks all and a Happy New Year
Max - it is that opaque kind of whitishness that develops sometimes in vases
and as you say the water and what ever is in it has etched onto the inner surface of the glass.
How does that happen I wonder - some kind of chemical reaction must take place with the water/flower sap and the glass? I have seen it on some pieces less than a few years old, so it must be quite aggressive.
I am supposing the only solution is a kind of polishing that would work for the small area within the grey faceted vase shown.
Anyone know of a good polishing method or set that does not hack your glass to pieces?
Adam P
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Ref my Mezza filligrana vase being debated (see photo first post)
Thanks Paul you have been so helpful and I think we are on the right track reference attribution of my vase.
Javier, you have a good point reference the yellow label, I bought this dark green and yellow sommerso vase the other day with the same label to the base as my Mezza filligrana vase.
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4727/muranovasegreen0sn.th.jpg) (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muranovasegreen0sn.jpg)
Aureliano Toso did do sommerso, but I can’t find this shape, Seguso and similar companies yes, Aureliano I am less positive about. So I think you are right about it being an import label.
The vase is very subtle and shows age 1950s – 1970s – the label is in good condition in silver and yellow.
I thought I would also add that there were many makers of items using the Mezza filligrana method, here is one: -
(http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/6888/lafenice4wr.th.jpg) (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lafenice4wr.jpg)
Not related to my vase but an interesting example – the company still thrives today http://www.vetrerialafenice.com/index.html and items are quite expensive. I have been told my atomizer is early 1980s
I just wanted to add these two things to the mix without causing any confusion I hope.
Adam P