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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: karelm on May 20, 2007, 02:05:29 PM
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Hi,
Ebay nr:300111075635 (please use the search on the top of the page to go to the ebay item as this supports the board)
I dont know anything about Royal Crown Derby but are these what is used to denote that it is a sellable weight? Hoe are they normally applied?
...am I right in thinking that between these and the engraving kit discussed in the cafe my chinese weights have the potential to gain a lot of value ;D ;D >:D
Kind regards
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Hi Karel,
These stoppers/studs are from porcelain weights like this one (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320113771567)
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Thanks Della,
OK so these are used on porcelain not weights...or at least not the type of weights I look at...and those chinese weights are still in the cupboard ;D ;D ;D
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The point about these gold stoppers is that Royal Crown Derby don't mark their factory second paperweights other than by putting in a silver stopper rather than a gold one.
So there is a thriving market in gold stoppers, as if you buy a silver stoppered paperweight, or one without a stopper, and put in your new gold stopper you can increase the value of your paperweight dramatically.
Same thing happens for Wade pigs.
you could TRY them with your Chinese weights.... certainly can't hurt!!
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Ok...so these then mean that you could make a "second" a "first"?
So where do they come from?
The point about these gold stoppers is that Royal Crown Derby don't mark their factory second paperweights other than by putting in a silver stopper rather than a gold one."snip"
But you would also have to do the dirty deed of painting all the rest on as per the pics in Della's post?
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Hmmm
Just had another look at that and I think it has finely sunken into the fat skull.
The only difference between a first and a second is the colour of the seal? BUT where do the seals come from?
.....now where is that penny that dropped ;D ;D ;D
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BUT where do the seals come from?
Probably from on the floor, in between a difficult porcelain jigsaw puzzle......next to the penny ;) ;D IGMC
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;D ;D ;D
Ok I get the picture or jigsaw or cloak and dagger.
"snip"... you can increase the value of your paperweight dramatically..."snip"
What is a dramatical increase...10-20%...more?
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First quality could easily be double the price of a second, so well worth the effort.
I think the stoppers come a) from factory workers
b) from broken weights.
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And I presume for a novice there is (as with glass paperweights, unless they have something like GIIG etched on them) not much to tell the difference between a second and a first?...and at the prices...eeeek!
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Here is the bit from the Royal Crown Derby website (http://www.royal-crown-derby.co.uk/products/terms-conditions/) about seconds:
Seconds quality tableware or giftware
Seconds products are the result minor imperfections created during the manufacturing process.
Seconds will differ in the reason for their selection as such but will always be fit for purpose.
Imperfections may show in the decoration where some variation is a natural part of the hand decorating process.
Seconds can be identified by a marked backstamp (polished away or scratched)
Seconds paperweights will have a silver stopper. Best quality will have a gold stopper.
Although they rarely seem to scratch the backstamps on paperweights.
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I suppose if you were to add these onto Chinese paperweights you could feature them as "China weights' ::) ;D
Seems to be a particularly dense company to use such a ridiculous system. But then china collectors do suffer a lot more from fakes than do glass collectors, yet tend to make less noise about.
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I suppose if you were to add these onto Chinese paperweights you could feature them as "China weights' ::) ;D
Seems to be a particularly dense company to use such a ridiculous system. But then china collectors do suffer a lot more from fakes than do glass collectors, yet tend to make less noise about.
China weights ...OUCH!!!!!
As far as paperweights go (and I presume this holds true for all "glass") I still maintain wether you are Drew Ebelhart (sp?)(...and feel free to insert any other artist at the top of their art) or some factory next to a rice paddy you need to have a unique mark, preferably per year; this values your weight and shows pride in what your product is. If 1/10th of the folks in Murano could understand this the manufacturers and collectors would all be in a better place!!!
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Understandably many gift ware manufacturers do not care to be identified to the second user market.
But in this case we have a respected pottery using a quality indicator that is readily removed and replaced to enhance value of their own products in the after market. Perhaps, cynical but possibly a good move for shifting large quantities of the seconds to the second use trade who can easily obtain the upgrade buttons. It would also tie in with accountancy practises/philosophies of the modern era.