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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Connie on February 05, 2007, 10:33:44 AM

Title: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Connie on February 05, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
Big thanks to Dee (untamedlady2000)  :)

When she posted the link to the Bagley thistle jugs, i noticed some Bagley pieces in "vine and twine" mounts, like this

http://www.knottingley.org/history/bagleyglass/bagley_products16.htm


I have this "basket" which I had posted on the old board. I think someone (sorry don't remember who) said it was Zimmerman but the idea that they were made for Bagley never came up. I went back and searched for the thread and could never find it  :(

Here is my frame or mount

Leaf and twine mount (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/Connie06_photos/leafbask1.jpg)

Detail of design (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/Connie06_photos/leafbask2.jpg)

Do you know which Bagley piece this would have been made to fit?  The  diameter is 4 inches and the depth of the basket is 2 1/4 inches with overall height at 6 3/4 inches.

Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Glen on February 05, 2007, 11:13:43 AM
I've seen these on several shapes of both Bagley and Sowerby pieces (possibly others too). I do recall starting a thread about them just after the Charles & Camilla wedding, as I was intrigued by the way in which the "Fascinator" hats looked (to me) just like these metalwork items.
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 05, 2007, 12:27:19 PM
Many of the plainer Bagley shapes were sold in leaf and twist metalwork (and other sorts of metalwork). It seems to have been a way of livening up pre-war designs for post-war (1950s) production, as I have yet to find a uranium piece in metalwork. Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. Off the top of my head I can't think of a piece of Bagely to fit in a handled basket, and as the metalworkers often supplied across the glass and china trades the likelihood of identifying something to go in your basket recedes. :-\ ??? I think the only thing we can be fairly confident about is that the basket was probably made in the UK and probably in the 1950s
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Bernard C on February 05, 2007, 05:21:31 PM
Quote from: Lustrousstone
... Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. ...

Unlikely to be either;  much more likely that Zimmerman bought the glass, added the leaf mounts, and sold the range as their own.

Connie — I can remember this query the first time around, and that several of us had seen both Bagley and Sowerby glass in these mounts.   The ultimate leaf-mounted piece was the tulip lamp (aka cabbage lamp) of which I have seen just the one, in satin green, and only matched by the Leek Andromeda lamp as a retro classic.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Tony H on February 05, 2007, 06:48:28 PM
Connie

I have a wire frame with leaf and vine it still has a original label tired to it, also a piece of Sowerby carnival glass in a frame, The firm Abrahams took over Davidson's and had a large metal works to use on there glass. Here two photos.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4898

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4899

Tony H in NZ
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Anne on February 05, 2007, 06:59:52 PM
Hi Connie, I remember that thread as I have one of these "Zimmerman" baskets, with a glass inner that cannot be pinned down to anyone.  The original thread which discussed these was this one... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1101.0.html and there was a later one here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4420.0.html

Hope this helps. :)
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Quackers on February 05, 2007, 07:25:21 PM
I can't add anymore to the origin of these frames but I do have this one http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4900 which I bought on ebay a couple of years ago.  I'm not convinced that the blue liner is original as it is jammed in, slightly on the 'huh  ;)
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Bernard C on February 05, 2007, 07:28:50 PM
Anne — Thanks for the old links.   By the way did you see my "A study of mounted glass by Zimmerman, Brama (and Leek) is a virgin field pregnant with possibilities."?   I thought it was my best ever one-liner, and no-one even noticed.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 05, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
Tony's labelled frame interesting as it appears to be oak leaves not bog-standard leaf-shaped leaves - not one I've seen before.

Your wit is wasted on us Bernard  :-*
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Anne on February 05, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
We did notice, Bernard, but didn't reply just to tease you. ;)  I don't think it'd get past the Plain English Campaign somehow. ;D
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Connie on February 05, 2007, 09:56:52 PM
Thank you for all the replies and sharing the pictures of your pieces in frames.

From the responses I gather the frame alone has little value and finding a piece to fit is remote  :-X

I guess it will go in the donation box then  :D
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Anne on February 05, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Dave (Mr Vaseline Glass) mentioned he picks up odd frames and metalwork to match up with orphaned pieces. May be worth asking if he's interested, Connie?
Title: Re: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount
Post by: Bernard C on February 05, 2007, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: Anne
Dave (Mr Vaseline Glass) mentioned he picks up odd frames and metalwork to match up with orphaned pieces. ...

 :clap:  Nice choice of words Anne, as a supplement to my one-liner.   :clap:

He's not the only one.   Most of those who buy and sell have a good collection.   I have well in excess of twenty of those blue stacking fruit/veg trays full of orphans, including at least one small Zimmerman leaf mount.   The trouble is that I never seem to have the right one to make up the set.   Also they move around.   How do I know?   Well the tray I am looking for is always at the bottom of the stack.

Bernard C.  8)