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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: singingyamada on May 09, 2012, 06:25:41 AM
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Should I tell the seller or should i buy it.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261018690534?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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Buy it if you want it. You're probably not the only one that's noticed
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I don't see it as an ethical dilemma... it's not a BIN for $19.95 afterall. If I were you, I'd say nothing and bid (and hope that no one else knows what it is). :)
It's a lovely item.
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At the risk of sounding a bit thick , whats a BIN?
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Buy it now
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Obviously, sorry having a thicky head day. Rightoh, I shall watch and bid.
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Lol... I didn't know what a BIN was either until someone told me a few months back. ;D
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;D I should of known. I am the ebay queen according to my family.
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I knew what a BIN was but I don't know what the bowl is? You are safe Amanda - I don't often buy bowls - not enough space - and don't collect Czech glass, so I won't be bidding against you. But what is it please - presumably Czech not Murano as you posted this in this forum. It is lovely though - I noticed it when it was listed.
Jackie
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Well i thought it was a FOOTED BOWL FRANTISEK ZEMEK ca1955
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They can be displayed upright, which solves the space problem.
(Although I was recently contemplating the notion of sticking 4 padded and disguised nails in the wall, and propping a plate in them...)
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Thanks - I have Googled the name and looked - some beautiful designs. I have learned something today :-)
And thanks for the suggestion Sue, re displaying the bowls.
Jackie
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I hope this doesn't mean I'm an unethical person, but surely one of the joys of these on-line auctions (and car boot sales etc) is finding a piece that you know and recognise as being more valuable than it is being sold for? The seller doesn't lose anything by exchanging the item for an amount of money that s/he had hoped to get.
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Exactly
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I know. I want my bowl and no Jiminy Cricket in my ear. I am getting excited. I have sworn to stop buying but when the elephants in the room............... ::)
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That's the third one I've seen on Australian eBay, only one id'd correctly and it didn't make difference to the price (I bought one). I'd bid up to what I was prepared to pay, and then wait and hope. Australia and Canada must have been the prime market for these.
David
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we did get a lot of Czech refugees in the 60's . I bought some mstisovglass that was described as art deco. whe n I look through ebay Au for Czech stuff its usually coloured and gold.
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Much more likely to be imported rather than to have arrived with immigrants. The Czechs have always been big exporters of glass around the world.
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trouble is we are not too good with Czech glass. I am getting smarter at asking people what they used to id their stuff. And I get "you kinda know' to great sellers with heaps of references. I think here we are a little more "mooranoh " infatuated. And trust me there is is heaps of "murano"
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If the seller, like me a few times, hasn't done his homework to find out what they are selling and has, like me, put a starting price that he is happy to sell at then bid and be lucky. If we told every seller that they had a piece selling that is worth a lot more than they are asking, where would we get the great finds ? It would also ruin the collectors /sellers market ;D ;D ;D as we would all pay top dollar I sold a piece that I didn't know was worth 3-4 times the price I listed it for with BIN. I only found out months later what the piece was. Also sold a piece with a very low start price and it got bid up to £50. I didn know what I had but obviously lots did. I don't feel bitter losing out as it works both ways and its a lesson learned. Bid on it at your Max price your willing to pay and I hope you get it for a bargain price as they are the pieces that put a bigger smile on your face. Good Luck and let us all know if you got it, a pic with the piece and the smile would be good ;D
P.S. I saw a Nachtmann piece in ebay completed listings (it shows what pieces are selling for and not what the sellers are asking). I did message them and told them to list as Nachtmann. It sold well and the seller emailed me a thank you.
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I have assuaged my guilt by emailing some sellers and telling them what it is if I am not interested so I am going to just bid on this one. No more dilemma. mind you when the op shop ladies howled me down once over some dragon ware which was so OTT I just shut up walked around and that's when I met Nanny Still for $2 ;D and I have told one oppie manager that some glass is chinese. I mean I have gambled enough on chinese rubbish to be well familiar with it thanks to the board here. ::)
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My Ethical Dilemma ........I have been in Charity Shops and will let them know if I see a piece (not just glass) would still sell for a lot more than they are asking. I get asked by staff a few times a week and am willing to help or search on my phone (why they dont have internet access is beyond me). One Shop has a manger that really really dislikes me as she feels I am ripping them off (a staff member informed me) by buying items to sell online.( I always pay the asking price, some people barter in Charity shops) She has basically told her staff not to talk to me ;D ;D I now take great delight in buying a piece and after paying I like her to hear me saying how I love this shop it has some great pieces. A little childish some would say and I agree but I spend a fair amount of money in there on things I need not just to sell. (unused HP printer with inks for less than a replacement ink cartridge) Its called Donating money is it not ? I do still let the assistant manager know about pieces if the boss is out ;D I asked her if she could spare a moment but she gives me the dirtiest of looks and walked away (I tried ::)). It did make me feel unwelcome for some time but I decided she is the one with a problem and not me. I think she smiles when I leave the shop empty handed which is surely a bad thing for the shop. Good deeds are sometimes not welcomed. Try telling a seller that the piece they are selling is not whitefriars worth a hundred but a very rare Ikea piece worth 3 for a tenner and see what they say ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont know why they don't have access to the internet and some use "the book " Carters antique price books which show retail. And thus items sit there for ages. You have to figure out what the volunteers put worth on. eg, fine one china with lots of flowers, more fine bone china, some Australian pottery, clear glass, cut glass, pressed glass , carnival glass any thing that's arty they think is murano. And so people like me who would spend heaps now spend nothing,. Oh and Japanese stuff is 2nd rate unless its noritake. The out of the fog, they miss something and I strike.
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I think here we are a little more "mooranoh " infatuated. And trust me there is is heaps of "murano"
I think that's a worldwide phenomenon. "Murano" is all over Allegro (a Polish online auction site). Even Poland's most respected auction house, DESA, has several "Murano" pieces which are actually Czech. (For example: http://www.desa.pl/pl/wystawy/21910_sztuka-pod-choinke/21288_014.html)
What really entertains me is when wannabe-glass-and-decor-experts go on and on about the beauty of Murano glass and use photos to support their point: http://www.minty.pl/index.php/2009/11/22/szklo-z-murano/
Ahem. No further comment.
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Oh dear! :-X
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I think about 80% of my Czech glass was sold to me as "Murano" (even if it had a label reading "Made in Czechoslovakia" 8))
I had an argument last week at the fleamarket with a seller who had some very good Czech pieces (Vizner, Wünsch, Svoboda), and he got quite angry -- and refused to believe me -- when I told him that almost all the wonderful glass he had was Czech...
I wouldn't worry about that ebay attribution -- nice piece as the Zemek bowl is, IMHO it is not worth a huge amount more than the seller asks.
Michael
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I wouldn't worry about that ebay attribution -- nice piece as the Zemek bowl is, IMHO it is not worth a huge amount more than the seller asks.
Which goes to show value is purely subjective. I think the piece is worth quite a bit more. :)
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As always its only worth what someone is willing to pay. Im pretty sure a piece on TV was described as Murano and was Chribska. Our Charity shops were grubby at one time now thankfully very few like that left but they are a good place for a bargain. I got 4 Edinburgh crystal glasses for £1 ;D The other end of the scale is the 'Botique' Charity shop with clothes priced at Half the original shop price or more. If I wanted to pay that much I would go to the sale of the original shop. They are pricing themselves out and have regularly heard them saying they haven't reached their target.
Sorry, I seem to have gone right off subject and might open a cafe thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of charity/op shops ;D ;D
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Pete, the charity shop issue is prone to develop into an ugly discussion (if I remember correctly) 8)
Anik you're right (as usual), value is totally subjective.
I should have said that here -- only a few kilometers from Czech Republic -- I wouldn't think it would fetch much more . 1950s Skrldovice is not (yet, I hope) regarded as tremendously valuable.
But the Australian market is surely different...
As the piece in question is sold per auction and not BIN, I wouldn't worry about the seller -- he will get a decent prize I am sure.
Michael
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Hopefully it will ;D Good and bad will surely be discussed. I can wear jeans and t shirts that cost £120 for around £10. Selecting the best is easy. Not as many mens clothes have the Tags on as there are on womens clothes... I wonder why ;D ;D ;D ;D