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Title: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: Sally on May 12, 2009, 08:35:49 PM
Hello,
I would like to ask if anyone can give me some details about the first establishment of the lesser-known glassworks called the Cornhill Glass Works in Southwick, Co. Durham, please?  They made pressed glass.

I see that some time ago someone inquired about this glassworks on this message board but there's nothing that helps me directly.
I am interested in it because I am following the life of a flint glass manufacturer named Thomas Walton, who was in Southwick for a short time at the beginning of the 1860s.  He's listed in the census of 1861 as being a glass manufacturer.  In 1857 he owned the "Sunderland Flint Glass Works" (otherwise known as the Wear Flint Glass Works) in Trimdon Street, Sunderland (not to be confused with Hartley's glassworks which was also Trimdom Street) but he only owned it for about a year.  He sold it to Henry Greener, possibly because there was a sudden sharp depression in the industry that year.  Presumably he went from there across the river and (I think) got set up with the Cornhill Glass Works which was owned by the Turnbull family.

It is known that Walton had crossed paths with a Thomas Turnbull - Thomas Turnbull (or another member of the Turnbull family?) ran the Haverton Hill glassworks a little further south in the 1840s, a works which Walton bought in 1849, selling it off in 1856 - so it seems possible that Walton was working for a member of the Turnbull family in the very first years of the establishment of their "Cornhill Glass Works" in Southwick.  Most references I have found on the internet say that his works did not begin until 1865 but given that Walton had been so involved in flint glass making up until then, it seems a bit unlikely that he would have been working at the local Southwick bottle works or crown glass works (owned by Scott and Attwood respectively I think).

It is known from the death of his wife in Manchester in 1866 that Thomas Walton had left by the mid-1860s.  So he was only in Southwick for a few years.  His sons had found some good opportunities in Lancashire and it may have been simply because of age that he followed them.  But I wonder if he didn't want to adapt to the new trends in glassmaking.  Pressed glass was on the rise in the north-east, pushing out blown glass.  Both the Cornhill Glass Works and the Wear Flint Glass Works became heavily involved in pressed glass after he left them. 

I am just wondering if the date of 1865 for the "start" of the Cornhill Glassworks was the date that Thomas Walton pulled out and went to Manchester, and the company was renamed and/or taken over fully by the Turnbulls.

I would be interested to know if the Turnbulls at the Cornhill Glass Works were making early experiments in pressed glass when they opened, supposedly in 1859 "a small family firm" (www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de), but made their bread-and-butter out of blown glass at that point until the new techniques were established?

Of course, as people will remind me, pressed glass was taking off in Manchester too.  But the Walton family do not appear to show any great interest in pressed glass wherever they went. Their origins were firmly in quality blown-glass, going back to at least the late 18th Century in Stourbridge.  Members of Thomas's family had three flint glass works in Lancashire but they don't seem to have specialized in blown glass, as far as I know.  They seem to have experience of various sorts of glassmaking between them, as if they just went with whatever presented itself, travelling and adapting themselves, but not concentrating on one form.  Perhaps for those without large capital resources or special design skills, or luck, this is the best way.

I would really appreciate any comments.  By way of background, I am researching the Waltons because Thomas Walton's son (Thomas Walton Jnr.) went to Japan to help the Japanese develop their first Western-style glassworks, in 1874.  I need to understand Thomas Walton Jnr.s background to know how useful he was in Japan and why he was chosen.  The topic of the Shinagawa glassworks has already been mentioned on this message board a few months ago (10 December 2008) by David Encill of Chance Expressions, when he discussed the research already done in Japan by Ms Osumi.

I should say that I have relied for some of my information on the research by Alan Leach published in the "Glass Cone" (magazine of the Glass Association), No.21, Spring 1989, which was mainly about the Haverton Hill glassworks.

Many thanks!
Sally

Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: Frank on May 12, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
I am sure there is a book on that - buried in crates at the mo... but someone else probably knows the title. Not an easy one to find though.

References in the Glass Study:

1907 - Turnbull (Matthew), Cornhill Glass works, Southwick, Sunderland.

1931 - Turnbull, Matthew (table glass). Cornhill Flint Glass Works
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham
Post by: Sally on May 13, 2009, 01:58:02 PM
Hi Frank,
Thank you for your response.  I would like to subscribe to Glass Study.  If you come up with any references to the Cornhill Glassworks in its earlier days, please let me know.

Looking at your several sites, I realize that I have research information which I could add to what you have.  (For instance, to Scotland's Glass - the Waltons managed Bathgate, and the Japanese connection started there.... etc. etc.)

However I cannot find an email address for you on your sites, and apart from talking to you about this various information I would like to ask more about the Glass Study site.  The "contact"  on the Glass Study site which you provide for people to do just that doesn't allow me to get any address.  How can I email you please?  Do I have to subscribe before I can contact you?

Regards
Sally

Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull fa
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 13, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Sally, click on the little envelope under Frank's name on the LHS of this thread to get an email address
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham
Post by: Frank on May 13, 2009, 04:56:34 PM
The "contact"  on the Glass Study site which you provide for people to do just that doesn't allow me to get any address.

Eek, it was set up incorretcly busily fixing it - thanks for pointing this out!!! Got your e-mail thank you.
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: sheilaweb on August 23, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
I'm very interested in Turnbulls / Cornhills Glass Works (Southwick) specifically in the early 1900's - if anyone has any photographs, newspaper articles / web links that they could share with me that would be wonderful.

I am in the process of tracing my family tree and found that my Great Grandad worked there, and was killed as a result of an accident at work in 1911.... any information or links that you think may be useful to me - do please, pass them on.

Thanks and best wishes
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: Frank on August 25, 2012, 09:56:34 AM
Do you know what your great grandfathers job was? If it was a significant accident it might be in local newspapers.
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: Anne on August 25, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
Sheila, welcome to the board. There are a couple of fellow family historians here. The accident in 1911 didn't make The Times as far as I can tell, unlike many other industrial accidents, as I checked the digital archive, just in case. May have been reported in the local press though, as Frank says.
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: sheilaweb on August 25, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Thanks for your kind responses, Frank my Great Grandad was a 'Fireman' - thanks for checking The Times Anne - next stop will be the library to scour old newspapers.  My local paper doesnt have a very good archieve
Best wishes
Sheila
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: madweasel on November 25, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Sally

This is a ten-year-old thread, but may I ask what you reference is for Thomas Walton being associated with the Sunderland Flitn Glass Works before Greener (And Angus)?

all the best

John
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: Sally on November 26, 2019, 10:45:19 AM
Hi John
Thanks for the message. I am still here! But I am in the middle of moving home right now. Will reply in 2/3 weeks. As I recall it's trade directories/London Gazette bankruptcies info but will get the detail for you later.
Title: Re: Cornhill Glassworks in Southwick (Sunderland) Co. Durham and the Turnbull family
Post by: madweasel on November 26, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
Thank you very much for such a prompt response, Sally. I will have a search through those directories etc.

By way of background, I am working on the post-excavation analysis of the excavation conducted by Pre-Construct Archaeology of the glass factory on that site. Everything found fits in well with the map and print evidence. I have put together more about thee ownership of the factory - Samuel Neville (former partner of John Sowerby) took it over for 9 months after Greener left - but Thomas Walton is new to me.

Incidentally, all the glass working debris I have studied does not include any glassblowing waste, just pressing waste. Sadly, the waste from earlier working regimes (French, your Walton) must have been cleared out during remodelling of the building.

Thank you once again.

John