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Title: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: vintiques on December 16, 2005, 12:49:43 AM
Hello, I am new to this board and I hope I am in the right forum :roll:
I am wondering if anyone can help me identify a mark on the bottom of a piece of glass that I have.
its a bulls head or atleast it looks like a bulls head.
 :?:
any help would be very appreciated.
Thank you
Title: Identification
Post by: De on December 16, 2005, 06:11:41 AM
Hi Vintiques

I have a vase with the bull head on it that is in the bottom of the glass and was told that it was English. The vase is with Mary Gregory print on the front and has a shape that is cubist. I'm not sure of the maker but maybe one of the Engish members will know.

I have had mine for about 20 years and the guy that sold me mine said that it was important which way the horns on the bull was facing ( in or out). One way was one maker from a great artist and the other way was just a common maker.  I was young then and didn't care what he was trying to say so I didn't pay much attention to his comments. :oops:

If you need a photo I will post one!

De
Title: Identification
Post by: pamela on December 16, 2005, 10:57:06 PM
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/toilettenservice/00567.html

something like this?

loved to know the maker of it  :roll:
Title: Identification
Post by: Glen on December 16, 2005, 10:59:23 PM
I have a pink perfume bottle with the same trademark. I believe it is contemporary and either Spanish or Portuguese. I'll try and recall where I got the information from (some time ago).

Glen
Title: Identification
Post by: Tigerchips on December 16, 2005, 11:13:11 PM
I saw a frosted (i think) clear perfume bottle with that mark in a charity shop but I just left it because it looked new. They must be quite common, probably.
Title: Identification
Post by: Della on January 28, 2006, 12:33:51 PM
Has anybody actually found out whose makers mark this is?
I have seen a beautiful iridescent vase for sale and it bears this mark.
I have searched and searched but cannot find any information,
Title: Identification
Post by: Glen on January 28, 2006, 12:55:34 PM
Della - from the style and general appearance of the items I have seen bearing this mark, I tend to think they are contemporary.

Here's an interesting ebay auction that shows another perfume, with the mark on it - and it also has COWS HEADS written.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598482510

Glen
Title: Identification
Post by: Frank on January 28, 2006, 02:00:13 PM
Only cows head mark I can find is naturalistic and for Liddle Henzell & Co, Ouseburn Glass Works, Newcastle c1890-1900. Obviously unrelated to this one.
Title: Identification
Post by: Glen on January 28, 2006, 02:04:20 PM
I suppose it's also interesting to note that COWS HEAD is an approximate translation of RINDSKOPF. Though I don't think there is anything in it to suggest an actual link - it's just an interesting observation.

Glen
Title: Identification
Post by: Della on January 28, 2006, 08:08:57 PM
Thank you Frank and Glen,
The imprint is the same on the piece I have seen, so I think I will give it a miss for now. It has been for sale for a while already.
I still can't find anything to do with Cows Heads, unless I want to buy 2 real cows heads in glass :!:
Title: Identification
Post by: Glen on March 21, 2006, 08:25:28 PM
EUREKA.

Seen......a perfume bottle with the bull's head moulded mark (as shown in the messages above) plus a MADE IN TAIWAN label.

One little mystery solved.

Glen
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: sricci01 on September 27, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
Hello,

This is my first post here but I also have a vanity set in pink satin glass with rose tops with the same mark on it.  Looks to be at least retro if not newer. 

I realize this tread is fairly old and probably a closed case in terms of ID but I just thought it was noteworthy that I found the bull's head/cow's head design of Erick Hoglund of Kosta Boda of Sweden to be the same as this mark.

I've also found Kosta Boda has made similar satin glass in pink and also vanity pieces but not these particular sets as indicated in this thread.   Most with Boda sticker or signature unfortunately and not this impressed glass mark.

Do you think the two are related? 

Here is a link to an item designed by him with the same bull's head:

http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/retro-art-glass-erik-hoglund-for-boda-sweden-art-glass-bull-bowl-set-1179876 Mod: Link no longer goes to this piece

Maybe the sets were designed by Erick Hoglund for Kosta and made in Taiwan???

I've about exhausted myself out with this probably unnecessarily and was wondering if anyone else with better resources might be able to ascertain if there is anything to this.

Thank you.
Diana
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 27, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
Welcome to the board.

I think the Hogland bull's head is just a design and nothing to do with the mark being found on vanity sets. There are only so many ways to depict a bull's head. Unfortunately, little is known about glass produced in Taiwan or indeed many of the Far East countries.

I'm confused as to your meaning of retro; to me it means in the style of the past rather than indicating a specific time. 
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on September 27, 2010, 05:55:05 PM
Hi Diana, and welcome to the board. Would you like to add pics of your set and the mark (closeup) to add to the info we have already?
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: sricci01 on September 27, 2010, 07:03:36 PM
 :hi:, would love to but right now I'm having some camera issues.  Soon as I get it worked out.
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on September 27, 2010, 11:32:14 PM
Super thanks, and do shout if you need a hand uploading pics to the board. :thup:
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on April 30, 2015, 03:20:10 PM
Found another of these today with the Bull base mark, a pretty little blue vase. Satin/opaque glass and clear mixed, quite deco inspired (aka - French style). I do not suppose anyone has found anything further about their maker?
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on April 30, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
Nope but there are a couple more bits on eBay currently - adding links as they show the styles and the logo on the base:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pink-Frosted-Swirled-Glass-Atomizer-Perfume-Bottle-pb132-Bull-Head-/311258924517
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PInk-Swirl-Satin-Decanter-w-Matching-Glass-and-Saucer-Bull-Head-Logo-on-Bottom-/221279298845

I used to have a frosted pink perfume bottle set with the same logo as those on eBay and like Pamela's years ago, mine was a freebie from French cosmetics firm Yves Rocher, so I always assumed it was cheap and cheerful Chinese-or-similar made. It was like this: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/229701215/vintage-pink-frosted-perfume-bottle (https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/229701215/vintage-pink-frosted-perfume-bottle)
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on April 30, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
Thanks for the reply Anne. I guess I will email Yves Rocher themselves and see if they know anything, worth a shot.

EDIT - Just emailed them  ;D
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on April 30, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
Fingers crossed you get a reply, William. I tried some time ago and didn't hear anything back, but it depends who is there to reply when we ask I guess?! :) 

One other thing I did find was that around the 1980s a French fashioner designer called Christian Lacroix designed a Taurus head pin brooch which looks awfully like the mark on the base of the glass... it's probably a red herring but may be worth a follow up, just in case there's a design connection? Here's one of the pins on sale:
http://www.rubylane.com/item/790730-IBFPIN2534/Vintage-auth-Runway-Christian-Lacroix78-Paris (http://www.rubylane.com/item/790730-IBFPIN2534/Vintage-auth-Runway-Christian-Lacroix78-Paris) Mod: Dead link
The current CL website has no similar logo or mention of glass, but I know CL has done a lot of other design work apart from fashion.
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on April 30, 2015, 10:45:32 PM
Delving around, there seems to be quite a few different designs made by this company, see here for a wine bottle, glass and plate

http://jueapp.com/g/500025646/white-satin-glass-brandywine-bottle-with-small-glass-plate-wbull-marking (http://jueapp.com/g/500025646/white-satin-glass-brandywine-bottle-with-small-glass-plate-wbull-marking)


I did find these two on a quick auction look,

Is this a similar set Anne?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pink-Frosted-Glass-5-PC-Dresser-Vanity-Set-Atomizer-Perfume-Imp-Bottle-Tray-/181728055152?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4fd60f70 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pink-Frosted-Glass-5-PC-Dresser-Vanity-Set-Atomizer-Perfume-Imp-Bottle-Tray-/181728055152?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4fd60f70)

This second is possibly where the original Taiwan reference came from but no bulls head mark on that?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VTG-Art-Deco-SILVESTRI-Pressed-Frosted-Pink-Glass-Rose-Atomizer-Perfume-Bottle-/400811951677?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d5241063d (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VTG-Art-Deco-SILVESTRI-Pressed-Frosted-Pink-Glass-Rose-Atomizer-Perfume-Bottle-/400811951677?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d5241063d)

Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on April 30, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
There are other satin glass perfume bottles on an ebay.ca search with the ¨Silvestri¨ label and ¨Made in Taiwan¨ label. Again, bu bulls head but possibly a reason for mistaken identity. I f only I could find one with both the bull and a label......Ah well, keep carrying on.
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on May 01, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Possibly another Eureka moment - I saw these on ebay, again, and wrote to ask the seller if there was a mark to the base of a bull, they kindly answered telling me there is!! This lovely set carries the ¨Stiver, Italy¨ label.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151658249806?euid=555f33f7b78247cebe5e7fceb93624cc&cp=1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151658249806?euid=555f33f7b78247cebe5e7fceb93624cc&cp=1)

There are other ¨Stiver¨ satin glass pieces when searching on google.
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on May 01, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
Ahhh now that's interesting, as the labelled perfume is definitely Stiver - I have seen various labelled examples of them but they never mention the bull's head mark on the base. The carafe set is mentioned in the other sale I found as being so marked but not labelled Stiver. So I wonder if this listing is a mix and match set?
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: heartofsklo on May 01, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
Looking at other threads already written about Stiver, Ivo seems the person who may know the possibilities. Stiver did make pressed glass with raised patterns, along with many other things and they appear to have made reincarnations of previous style periods.
Title: Re: Bull's Head mark - ID = Made in Taiwan
Post by: Anne on May 01, 2015, 10:26:02 PM
Yes they did, William. I thought I had a copy of a Stiver catalogue somewhere too but I can't find it. I'll keep rummaging! :)