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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: kap320 on January 23, 2012, 10:23:52 PM

Title: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: kap320 on January 23, 2012, 10:23:52 PM
Somewhat basic question for the experts. When looking at paperweights, which are normally most valuable, molded {star edged}, or
round globe type? To keep it "apples to apples" say the weight has millefiori interior.---Thanks for the education----Ken
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: KevinH on January 24, 2012, 12:46:06 AM
If the weights were of the same size and the millefiori were of equal quality and equal setting, then I'd say they were of equal "collector value".
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: kap320 on January 24, 2012, 02:29:19 AM
thank you for your reply--so your saying that the "molding" of glass carries the same value as a hand made rounded dome ?
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 24, 2012, 07:33:57 AM
The shaping is straightforward for a professional. It's creating beautiful canes in the first place and then the design, and then picking them up without distorting them and having any bubbles or striations that are the difficult bits. I think that's common to all whatever the final shape.
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: kap320 on January 24, 2012, 03:31:41 PM
Thank you for your responce. I'm hearing you saying that there is more value in the interior work of a weight than in the exterior shape.
So if the interiors are of equal artistic value, the fact that the artist puts the readied glass into a press to shape mold it, versus hand shaping
it into a rounded globe, makes no dollar or collection value ?
Thanks again---Ken
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: paperweights on January 24, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
I personally believe that the molded weights are less valuable.  That is my personal opinion. 
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: alexander on January 24, 2012, 06:43:08 PM
I think the premise of a "shape value" is a bit off, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so determines subjective value (or collection value if you will).

I personally prefer classical round paperweights so I would likely not wish to pay as much for a molded or faceted one,
I am sure there are those of the opposite persuasion.

I suspect what matters to most collectors is the overall aestetic and quality, and/or rarity, of the paperweight.

I think you will find most members here reluctant to discuss dollar values as this is a board for learning about, and enjoying,  
glass and paperweights, not so much valuations.
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: kap320 on January 24, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
Thank you Alexander---I do understand your point about this being a board of learning and not one of valuation. I'm just
trying to learn as much as I can. I do feel however, that valuation has to be part of the learning curve of these amazing
glass weights.----thanks ----Ken
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: Roger H on January 24, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
   Think its very much a question of personal taste as you first see the weight. My wife likes moulded weights, I'm not so keen. I like overlaid ones, she's not too keen. We both like traditional smooth sperical. I like most faceted,she doesnt.   Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.  The percentage of crimped moulded weights is fairly low so perhaps they cant sell as many. Roger.
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: tropdevin on January 24, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
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I go with the moulded weights are usually 'not too desirable cheap tourist gift' option.  Hence there are relatively few about. But, as has been said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Incidentally, has anyone noted a moulded weight making a sale price into 3 figures? (other than £9.99, for example....).

Alan
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: kap320 on January 25, 2012, 01:07:18 AM
Alan---from what I've seen, your spot on. -----Ken
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: alexander on January 25, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
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I go with the moulded weights are usually 'not too desirable cheap tourist gift' option.  Hence there are relatively few about. But, as has been said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Incidentally, has anyone noted a moulded weight making a sale price into 3 figures? (other than £9.99, for example....).

Alan


I was wondering, as I assume this thread is about the typical Perthshire/Strathearn pws with star shapes, was this design feature used for any limited edition weights?
I ask as the ones I see on eBay are usually of the smallish daily production variety.  I'm sure a study on finished eBay auctions could give an indication on differences in value
in like for like pws where the only difference is the outer finish. 

What I have seen of these seem to all be in the "gift shop" budget range so if the discussion is limited to these I agree.

One could argue that William Manson's bat cave weights (and various other scenes) are moulded with one facet and they routinely go for £100+ 
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: tropdevin on January 25, 2012, 11:13:01 AM
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Hi Alexander.

I think there are two big differences with Willie Manson's bat caves (reflected in the price).  First, they have a 3 dimensional design containing lampwork, and second, the facet is a labour intensive subsequent addition, rather than something made in the hot fabrication process.

I sold around 400 Strathearns a few years ago, many on eBay, including a few moulded stars of various sizes. At that time the stars sold for less than similar conventional domed weights (£12 to £25 for the stars, compared to £15 to £60 for the domed ones). I don't know what prices have been achieved in the last couple of years.

Alan
Title: Re: pressed edges vs rounds
Post by: alexander on January 25, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
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I think there are two big differences with Willie Manson's bat caves (reflected in the price).  First, they have a 3 dimensional design containing lampwork, and second, the facet is a labour intensive subsequent addition, rather than something made in the hot fabrication process.


I quite agree, my point, which may have been a but inelegantly put, is that an exterior moulded surface on it's own should
not be seen as a direct indicator of value or general desirability.

Imho WM's paperweights are in quite a different league artistically to the gift shop variety star shaped millefiori weights.