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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: John Smith on December 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
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Hi, Is there anybody out there who can positively identify the maker of my lamp please.
It is a very impressive 16 inches tall and 10 inches wide. All parts are original vintage.
I think it too early for D’Aevsn, but? (and I hesitate to add) perhaps even Cire Perdue by R Lalique.
The glass is particularly grainy, as to the above suggestion.
I have established that it is not German and is most probably French.
It is certainly a lamp of outstanding quality and most probably unique,
an exhibition piece perhaps? It does seem very strange that this incredible piece is unrecorded?
There are no maker marks anywhere to be found. The scene is of Penelope, cousin of Helen of Troy. She is flanked by two images of Pan: Agreus and Nomios who both together are trying (unsuccessfully) to seduce Penelope, under/within the foliage & branches of a pine tree.
It is stunning. Have you ever seen one before? Can you help me please in any way?
Your assistance would be most welcome. Many thanks in advance.
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Hi and welcome! :)
I'd say this is satinated - not (sadly) cire perdue. I'm afraid this isn't my sort of area - lamps are notoriously difficult to id - often because they're modifications of other designs and end up not marked in the "usual" way for that manufacturer.
The good news is that even without ids, lamps are highly desirable things.
I'm sure somebody else will have a better idea of where to point you - or even be able to recognise it. It's certainly a quality thing.
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Many thanks for your rapid reply!
It certainly is a beauty... I have never seen one quite like it, and it's undoubtedly of its period.
I have compared the glass to other moulded glass that I have for example, by d'Avesn, Hunebelle, Etling etc., but this lamp is not moulded glass, and being flat (like a luminaire) pate de verre or cire perdue sprang to mind... but only with caution.
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On top quality moulded things, the mould seams are often polished off...
But you are better off talking to somebody who does know this period and style of stuff!
I'm sure a proper "somebody" will be along soon. :)
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Many Thanks Chopin-Liszt. :) I hope so! I am familiar with press moulded glass and have many pieces, but this lamp has me stumped... The seller also had no idea about it, though mentioned that it featured at the 1925 Paris Exposition Internationale des Arts Décoratifs et Industriels Modernes. However, one can take that with a pinch of salt unless it can be established. It just amazes me more than anything, that this lamp is not a doccumented piece. Though if it IS an exhibition piece, then it is very true that not all items were factory marked. It is after all a large lamp at 16 inches, and it has quality, with a capital "Q". It would be easy for me to get carried away thinking that I have found the glass "Hanging Gardens of Babylon" but not without provenence... Let's see what these pages can bring. Every little helps no matter how small, and I give my thanks to you all.
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We don't give up on things here - 8)
Sometimes an id can turn up years later, but hopefully, it won't take that long with this stunning item!
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Can't do it now, but will look through my catalogue from that exhibition. Think mine is only Baccarat.
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;D only Baccarat? ::) :P
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Cheers Frank. Please let me know what you come up with! I appreciate your skills.
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You might try contacting the Victoria & Albert Museum in London as they seem to have some info available on the 1925 Paris Exposition.
http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/a/the-1925-paris-exhibition/
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.. Thanks very much Ken, for your valued guidance. I shall keep that in mind. ;)
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I'd like to thank all of those who are helping me with this post and those who already have, with thoughtful opinions and proper guidance.
I have just today, located a very tiny moulded mark, bottom left of the base. M MODEL FRANCE I know little of this maker, however I "THINK" Maurice Model produced figurines/mascots (and lamps) at Verdun close to Nancy? Anyway, this certainly rules out Cire Perdue. Cheers all, John ;)
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John I know what you mean about the tiny MMODEL marking. I have a pair of MMODEL pigeons? that were used as what we in the U.S. would call hood ornaments...guess in Europe they were called mascots & it was close to two years before I happened to notice the mark...originally thought it was a tiny bit of damage. Ken
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Yes Ken, how on Earth I overlooked this is beyond me, it is a very tiny mark, but I should have seen it!!! Information about M Model is fairly scarce, though I do know that most of his glass was indeed exported
to USA... particularly his car hood/mascots.
They're a fine pair of pigeons! Have you tried to breed them? :)
I have seen a hood mascot in the style of an Art Deco ram:
http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/orphanage.html?/zwram.html&19orphan57
by M Model and a few lamp shades, but that is all. :-\
Many thanks to you, J.
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... It's bad light here, but here are couple of more "fuzzy" pics of the lamp.
The Windsor vase by Walther & Sohne, and the Bagly Grantham is to show the scale.
The glass is 1 inch thick... 16 inches high.
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Been thinking Ken.... If you were to contact the link above (see Ram Hood Ornament) they should be able to supply you with mounts for your pigeons. Not only will they look even more stunning, but the mounts also help to counter-balance them and so avoid them toppling over. A thought perhaps? J.
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Thanks John...might try that. Frank provided a few examples on-line when I first got them & evidently MMODEL produced a wide variety of figures for various purposes. URLs below. Just wish there was more info on the manufacturer. I will have to say that your lamp is the best piece I've seen from MMODEL. Ken
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6372245
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/french-glass-car-mascot-hood-ornament-signed-m
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-1920s-charles-dickens-characters-signed-m
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Thanks to you all.. You have all been most observent, appreciative and helpful to me with this piece. The Antiques Roadshow.. ZZZZzzz have now approached me about the lamp. I 'spose I should await their findings... I did not think that it would cause such a sensation, as lovely as it is... as for me, I shall just be happy to establish more aobout its maker... "M. Model" John.
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Good luck to them in tracing Model, Hartmann source was Grover. Skeeley makes no mention... must be in French trade journal somewhere. On-line might be worth chasing again... my earlier efforts http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,36935.msg201428.html#msg201428
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Might be worth contacting local museum as they now include Model and give a c1930-1940 date. http://www.verdun.fr/Vie-quotidienne/Culture-Sport-Loisirs/Musee-de-la-Princerie/Nouvelles-acquisitions/Du-Verre-Art-Deco-au-Musee
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Thank you Frank... That's an interesting post. I have translated their page, but I may not be allowed to copy it on here??? Anyway, it is basically what has already been said between us all. I shall indeed contact them soon to see what they say and report back to you all as and when... If nothing else, I am sure that they will be interested to see my piece and may also be able to tell us more about Model's working activities.