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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: buydesigns on June 22, 2006, 10:12:31 PM
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Hi,
Can anyone help me ID the age / value? I think it is Velato 1950-60?
Thanks for anything you can add/subtract from my best guess.
(I added the paper label to the murano label section for reference - what a great idea!!)
Wanda / buydesigns
whole vase: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2369
paper label: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2373
detail: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2374
detail: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2372
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I see lots of kind people took the time to view my photos to see if they could help me. Thank you. You people are so nice!
After looking in every book I could find / searching the web I finally found a photo of this color/finish in the collection of Venini's daughter:
:arrow: http://www.hot-glass.com/incve.htm
Does it look like a chunk of glass is missing on the neck of that decanter??
So I sent photos to Wright auctions and will post any updates.
If anyone saw my ebay ad - let me plead temporary insanity and I will spare you the story.
Thanks again! Wanda
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Hello again,
For anyone who might come across something similar;
Wright auctions responded to my consignment inquiry with an estimate
$2,000 - $3,000.
Bye for now,
Wanda
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Hello again,
For anyone who might come across something similar;
Wright auctions responded to my consignment inquiry with an estimate
$2,000 - $3,000.
Bye for now,
Wanda
Sorry that no-one responded Wanda - I guess we were all flummoxed! :lol: What a great result though, well done and congrats! :D :D
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What confused me was that the piece shown from the Venini collection was an inciso piece which is a finish with a striated surface cut into the glass whereas Wandas vase appears to have a smooth satin finish with no inciso work at all.
The style and label suggests a date of around 1956 but certainly not one of the more common Venini designs.
Paul
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Hi.
I'm glad this of interest. No problem with not getting response the first time.
Perhaps it's the only one left with a label. They come off so easily (I nearly washed this one off). :oops: :oops: the tape seemed like such a good idea at the time....
The decanter in Anna's colleciton is the closest thing I could find. I guess I could send a photo of this to the museum and ask them to forward it to Anna if they feel it is appropriate.
Sorry the photos did not show the wheel etched finish more clearly - this backlit photo is better. Not sure if this is inciso or the finer "velato" finish.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2480
Best wishes,
Wanda
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I'm sure it's not Inciso and go with your initials thoughts towards Velato. The cut on inciso pieces and the resultant effect was best described by Laura on her web site as creating the image where the colour appears to float within the glass, When the light is better tomorrow I'll post a piccy of my inciso decanter and I think you'll see the difference.
Paul
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Thank you Paul!
I will look forward to seeing the close up when the sun is shinning.
Wanda
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Hi again Paul,
I just realized my error when posting the link to the back lit photo - i am interested in your thoughts
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2480
Wanda
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Definitely not inciso with those fine cuts. The inciso is always horizontal as well.
Paul
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Hi again,
That makes sense to me. The pieces I have seen look horizontally incised to me too.
I found this definition on the Olnick Spanu website which confused me. It must be a typo or translation then? I haven't seen anything that looked like the lines were veritcal - have you?
here is a link:
http://www.olnickspanu.com/Glossary/Glossary_Inciso.html
I can't even imagine how long it must take to cover a vase with those tiny lines!!
I will look forward to your close up!
bye for now,
Wanda
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Yippie!
The auction catalog finally arrived with my vase in it. I was pleased to see that the following description
#233
Tobia Scarpa
Velati vase, model #515.2
Venini
Italy, c. 1960
wheel-carved glass
7dia x 6 h
Signed with paper manufacturer's label to underside. [Venini Murano Venezia Made in Italy].
$2000-3$000
There are lots more Murano goodies in the October 10th auction catalog which is now line at www.wright20.com
I am off to drool over the rest of the catalog now!
Wanda
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I'll be very interested to see the auction results for the glass, if some of those reach estimate, then I'm gonna have to severely revalue my collection upwards. Just out of interest what is the buyers premium at the sale?
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Wouldn't that be nice for both of us?
10% comission +1.5% insurance no additional fees in this case.
By comparisoon, the other auction house I was considering offers 15%+1% insurance but met the 10% without hesitation upon request. I though that was interesting.
Ebay + Paypal fees ran me 6% on an $8,500 sale by comparison and the % is higher on smaller ticket sales.
The Wright catalog is huge and beautifully photographed. I expected good exposure but nothing like what I got! The half page devoted to my item was all that I could have hoped for but the real show stopper was the full page before it featured a close up of my vase justposed against the bubbly glass of the Fontana Arte console they are offering.
Sadly there was a bit of a mix up in the catalog text and regarding which vase had the original mfg. tag. but it will be reflected in condition statements to interested parties. and it has been corrected on line. I am waiting to see if they publish a correction to catalog recipients.
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oops! You asked about the buyers premium... 20% if I recall. Pretty standard.
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Looks like its going to be a great sale... good luck with it!
Javier
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Thanks Javier,
It'll be fun to watch.
I had to kiss a few frogs along the way. Not all my favorite auction houses (to watch) turned out to be as decerning in their business practices as they are about their merchandise. Wright has been exceptional.
Well, the sky is blue and my hammock awaits!
Bye for now,
Wanda
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Hi Javier, I hope you enjoyed the sale.
I didn't get a chance to watch the whole auction but I hope it raised the value of Pauls collection.
As for me... well, it is official AMBER is death to glass. The vase brought $500 of the $2-3000 estimate. The blue green vase brought $1,950. I paid $5 for mine, so it's all good.
WOW... Wright Auctions really put their money where there mouth was. I lowered my minimum to "$500 net" on the contract. So to cover their profits, Wright needed a minimum bid of $557, but they kindly dropped the opening bid to $450 to encourage someone ... anyone.... to bid.
Their gorgeous catalog photos were above and beyond. I certainly never expected them to give up their profits to make the sale for me.... but they did! I think that speaks volumes.
Well that is all the news that's fit to print. Bye for now, Wanda
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Darn, if I had known they were accepting bids at that level, I would have been bidding!
Oh well.
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Hi Laura,
I am so sorry you did not get a chance at the vase. They gave it a chance at $1,000 before dropped to $500. At that point a floor bidder may have offered the $450 but I don't really know.
It raises an interesting question. I wonder if it might have been better to insure that they advertised it at the lower opening. Can I asked how high you would have gone on it??
On the bright side, this may influence future prices and getting the photos "out there" in the catalog/web could bring some out of the woodwork.
I would have preferred the eBay title include Venini over Velati. A title search for Venini does not bring that piece up, (so some pickers may miss seeing it). You have to choose "search item descriptions" or search for Velati. WHO would have been searching for Velati without having seen the catalog?? oh now I've gotten way off point... uh hmmm.
I understand the Catalogue Raisone lists the colors made. I hope you find one in your favorite color!
Bye for now,
Wanda
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Hi Wanda,
Why didnt they put Venini in the title?
Sorry to hear that it didnt sell for more.
I think the yellow was a much better color than the other one listed.
Javier
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Hi Javier,
The yellow vase has wonderful energy. I like the combination of enthuastic color with the elegance of the soft Velato finish.
Yep.. you would expect Venini in the title. :shock: My guess is a very efficient typist took it straight from the catalog, plunked it down in the ad and went right on typing. :wink:
Well the sky is blue so … g 8) tta scoot.
All the best to you! Wanda