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Title: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be? ID = Jobling
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 04:36:03 PM
I originally thought this might be Jobling, but after checking out all the Jobling references on here, I am really not so sure - the birds seem to be facing the wrong way.  These seem to be birds of paradise, you can see the streamers of their tails behind them.  Three of them, cameo to the outside no intaglio to the inside, very satin to the outside, very smooth to the inside, there is a registration number to the centre, but annoyingly, it is such an old punch that it just a line of little blobs... >:(

Does anyone recognise this?

Here are a batch of pix:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4408
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4407
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4409
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4410

thanks!

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: pamela on December 31, 2006, 04:43:51 PM
isn't it the Jobling 'Bird Pattern' which also came in the lambton shape? Just a guess  ;D
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Bernard C on December 31, 2006, 04:45:14 PM
Lynne and Pamela — It's Jobling.   In my opinion the finest of their bird bowls, and the only one known for certain to be the work of Etienne Franckhauser and his Paris workshop.   Pattern No. 2602, Reg. No. 806062 of 28th August 1935.

See also my recent thoughts on Le Style Franckhauser here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,607.0.html)

Wonderful.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 10:12:20 PM
Thank you Bernard!  It is a wonderful bowl, no faults, and a beautiful colour when the light shines through it.

Now to write it up......

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 10:13:24 PM
isn't it the Jobling 'Bird Pattern' which also came in the lambton shape? Just a guess  ;D
Hi Pamela, that's what I originally thought, but the birds on that pattern seemed to be facing outwards not inwards...

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 10:15:52 PM

See also my recent thoughts on Le Style Franckhauser here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,607.0.html)


Bernard C.  8)

Ah, now, you see, Bernard, those thoughts were what made me think it wasn't Jobling, as it was also very similar in feel to your pears bowl!   :o

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Anne on December 31, 2006, 10:26:39 PM
Are there not two or three variant patterns on the bird bowls?  I have a vague recollection of this being discussed some time ago... I'll try and find the earlier thread.

Edited to add:  Found it!  Lynne here you go... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,587.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,587.0.html)
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 10:45:23 PM
Oh yes!  that is it isn't it!!  This is very exciting!  I NEARLY got it right all by myself  ;D ;D ;D and then talked myself out of it !!  (story of my life...)

thank you so much - I didn't realise there were different variants, so assumed when I found the bowl on the Glass Ency site (I think - I looked at so much I am rather lost...) that it was a copycat.
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on December 31, 2006, 10:53:51 PM
By the bye, is this satin finish the same as the one I have seen described as Opalique?  Or just a satin finish?

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Anne on December 31, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
No, yours is satin, Lynne.

This is Opalique (i.e. the trade name for Jobling opalescent inspired by Lalique - ref Ivo's little Glass Fact File)... isn't it splendid?  Jobling Birds on Glen's Carnival Glass site:
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/JobBirds.html (http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/JobBirds.html)
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on January 01, 2007, 02:21:23 PM
No, yours is satin, Lynne.

This is Opalique (i.e. the trade name for Jobling opalescent inspired by Lalique - ref Ivo's little Glass Fact File)... isn't it splendid?  Jobling Birds on Glen's Carnival Glass site:
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/JobBirds.html (http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/JobBirds.html)

It is totally gorgeous... this is the kind of glass I have always loved.  Mine may be a rarish pattern, but it is miles away from the beauty of this one.

Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Bernard C on January 01, 2007, 05:02:09 PM
Lynne — I disagree completely.   Using an opalescent glass for your bowl would take the emphasis away from the sculptural beauty of it, to its loss.

I can see that my effort in producing a carefully worked out theory, which I have christened Le Style Franckhauser, is a complete waste of time.   No-one has agreed, disagreed, or even criticised me for discussing women's breasts.   I haven't even had any anonymous phone calls!   It has had the worst possible reception — it has been completely ignored.

It is obvious to me that your beautiful Birds of Paradise bowl, Lynne, was designed for the pink glass it was made in, and possibly for other light colours.    As a lighting bowl, I have only seen it in pink.

Had Franckhauser intented it for use with opalescent glass, he would have used plump, Thelwell-like pigeons or wrens, not gently moulded birds of paradise.

Anyway, agree or disagree, that's my 2d worth.

Which brings me onto a much more important topic.    Why have I never seen any plump children on plump little ponies when I cross the Thelwell Viaduct?   And why are there never any ocean-going sailing ships tictacking their way along the Manchester Ship Canal way down below?

Happy New Year,

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on January 01, 2007, 05:23:30 PM
Lynne — I disagree completely.   Using an opalescent glass for your bowl would take the emphasis away from the sculptural beauty of it, to its loss......It is obvious to me that your beautiful Birds of Paradise bowl, Lynne, was designed for the pink glass it was made in, and possibly for other light colours.    As a lighting bowl, I have only seen it in pink.....Had Franckhauser intented it for use with opalescent glass, he would have used plump, Thelwell-like pigeons or wrens, not gently moulded birds of paradise.

Yes I can see your point, but I personally don't like it.  Sorry.... I like the blue opalescent much much much more.  I like carnival glass more than I like this pink satin glass.  It reminds of those 1950s pink satin corsets with the pointy bra bits.  Which leads me nicely onto...

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I can see that my effort in producing a carefully worked out theory, which I have christened Le Style Franckhauser, is a complete waste of time.   No-one has agreed, disagreed, or even criticised me for discussing women's breasts.   I haven't even had any anonymous phone calls!   It has had the worst possible reception — it has been completely ignored.

There you go you see.  Modern society is obviously a leg man. 

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Which brings me onto a much more important topic.    Why have I never seen any plump children on plump little ponies when I cross the Thelwell Viaduct?   And why are there never any ocean-going sailing ships tictacking their way along the Manchester Ship Canal way down below?

important questions that require deep philosophical discussion.  And anyway why wasn't the Orwell Bridge built in 1984??  By pigs?
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 01, 2007, 07:21:27 PM
Re the Manchester Ship Canal, there are plenty of ocean going ships to be seen chugging along. Rush hour in Warrington is considered a good time because it put at least two bridges and therefore main in and out routes out of action for about 20 mins each!
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: Anne on January 02, 2007, 02:56:59 AM
Bernard, I have a copy of a photo of the same pattern bowl as a lightshade - birds with tails in just the same place as Lynne's bowl - but it is in blue not pink. The photo is not mine so I cannot post it to the gallery but it does prove they were made in colours other than pink.  :)
Title: Re: Pink Bird of Paradise Bowl - who might the makers be?
Post by: josordoni on January 02, 2007, 08:44:05 AM
Bernard, I have a copy of a photo of the same pattern bowl as a lightshade - birds with tails in just the same place as Lynne's bowl - but it is in blue not pink. The photo is not mine so I cannot post it to the gallery but it does prove they were made in colours other than pink.  :)

Now that one is gorgeous - I saw that. The deep colour brings out the birds and I can imagine the light shining through would really be something.