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Title: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Wayne on November 03, 2011, 09:11:32 AM: I'm not sure if these bowls/ashtrays have been ID'd before, but I came across them while researching Japanese glass:

(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded01.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded01.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded02.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded02.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded03.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded03.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded04.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded04.jpg)

A couple of links showing these bowls with labels that read "Wales, Reg. U.S. Pat. Off. Made in Japan":

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Murano-Art-Glass-Wales-Japan-Green-Ashtray-/170694944928

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-WALES-ART-GLASS-Yellow-Ashtray-Bowl-MADE-JAPAN-/250812174166

No idea yet if Wales is a manufacturer or importer.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: glassobsessed on November 03, 2011, 11:42:29 AM: Well spotted Wayne, I have seen them offered for sale as 'Holmegaard' so many times....

John
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Greg. on November 03, 2011, 11:58:33 AM: Just searching 'wales made in Japan' these labels do seem to appear on a mixture of ceramic and porcelain items as well as glass, perhaps that might hint to them being an importer...everything I have come across has also been located in the states, so could possibly be an American importer.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Wayne on November 03, 2011, 12:53:23 PM: Good point thanks, I see what you mean, deffo an importer or retailer then.

Couple more here with reversed colours and different Japan labels:

http://www.atticshoppe.com/glass/js1887.htm

http://www.tias.com/10782/PictPage/3923285983.html

That last one has a Nasco import label, same as these (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,31712.msg247526.html#msg247526). I wonder if they might all turn out to be by the same manufacturer, Kamei.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Wayne on November 03, 2011, 03:35:36 PM: The sellers of the two linked items in my first post have kindly given permission to post their pictures here for future reference:

(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded05.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded05.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded06.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded06.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded07.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded07.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/thumbs/otherglass_folded08.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/glassmessages/otherglass_folded08.jpg)
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: rosieposie on November 03, 2011, 11:58:57 PM: That's very interesting Wayne, because I have seen a few glass birds on USA eBay with this label, and I assumed they were a Japanese glass company.....it hadn't occurred to me that it might be an importer.......so thanks for that information. :sun:
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: kane_u_pain on November 04, 2011, 10:17:45 PM: Very nice bowls, they would look great as a set if you had all the colours along with the reversed ones. Definitely importers labels. I will keep an eye out on Aussie ebay should any pop up here with a label. Might get lucky with a manufacturer label instead of an import one.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Frank on November 05, 2011, 04:53:22 PM: Wales with crown trademark first used in 1950 by New York Merchandise Co., Iin. 32 W. 23RD ST. New York. Trademark last renewed in 1975 so faded out by 1995. I have a catalogue from them somewhere?
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Frank on November 05, 2011, 05:02:20 PM: They appear to still exist, trademark as above shows here http://www.trademarkia.com/company-new-york-merchandise-co-inc-868096-page-1-2

Smithsonian has a collection of their catalogues too. They seem to spend a lot of time in court too.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: angel2 on November 05, 2011, 05:50:41 PM: :angel: :angel:

Sorry, mini hijack :hj:
Why do they spend so much time in court Frank?

angel2
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Frank on November 05, 2011, 08:01:52 PM: Dunno but most of the Google hits are them against the world and the US government. Perhaps they upset Baron Rothschild.
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: angel2 on November 05, 2011, 08:29:41 PM: :angel: :angel:

I'll have to look it up out of interest.

angel2
Title: Re: Japanese Cased Bowls by "Wales"
Post by: Wayne on November 06, 2011, 10:34:38 AM: Thanks for the interesting link and info Frank. So the date of these bowls could be anything between 1950's - 1990's then, although the labels look more 50's - 70's. There seems to be a lot of these around, so I'm guessing they were in production for a while.