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Title: Iridescent Loetz handled dish?? - ID = most probably Poschinger
Post by: Dave the Glass on May 29, 2008, 07:32:14 PM
Hi got this one a few weeks back i believe it to be Loetz, but I'm sure there is a expert out there who can give me more info, Very nice iridescent green purple colour, with an applied clear handle. The base has been polished & has a pontil, It stands 9 inches tall, & 6 1.2 in diameter.
Thanks in anticipation
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: pamela on May 29, 2008, 07:46:50 PM
Dave please, where are you situated?
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: pamela on May 29, 2008, 07:51:34 PM
Would Loetz have issued something with CLEAR handle?  Please can you issue a photo of iridescence of your basket? Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Andy on May 29, 2008, 08:02:43 PM
Hi Pamela,
ive just spoken to Dave, he showed me this basket a few weeks ago, and i took a few photos of it,
mines bigger than Daves, ;) so with his permission, heres some more,
I cant find anything quite matching a loetz pattern or finish, but its a nice quality bowl, and
probably early 20th C.
Cheers
Andy

ps Daves near me, in Berkshire UK.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 29, 2008, 08:49:21 PM
I saw a vase with a similar finish attributed to poschinger a month or so back. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Andy on May 29, 2008, 09:25:04 PM
A basket with clear handles shown here,
http://hometown.aol.com/alfavil/page3.html
text a bit confusing, but i think author thinks Kralik or Rindskopf.

Poshinger, maybe  , azelismia, was that on here, i searched , found this interesting thread,on your vase,
is that the one?
Dave , have a read,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21348.0.html

Andy

ps , the first link from
Alfredo Villanueva-Collado
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 29, 2008, 10:03:34 PM
No it was on the ebay forum. it was a little pink vase. it had the same pontil including a little nick in the center and that same ruffly look. Warren was the one who pointed it out originally, I think. He'll probably weigh in on this.

Yes Quite pleased with my vase *smug look* it went from the cat zone (mantel) to the behind glass zone last night.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 29, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
http://www.rubyglass.com/Glass/ArtGlass/detail.asp?ID=12

here's an example of the finish
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Andy on May 29, 2008, 10:28:48 PM
Definitely a similar finish! Date of that one circa 1970s!
Dave, it may not be as old as we thought! Although i think the base on yours points to it
being older.
see if you get some more views from others. Warren, are you there?
I emailed Poschinger re. my little pink jug, and got a helpful reply from Benedikt Poschinger confirming
it was a Jugenstihl (Art Nouveau) piece by them.
Andy

ps dont feel guilty about all this work and research im doing for you ;D
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Dave the Glass on May 29, 2008, 10:54:17 PM
I do feel a bit guilty I've been watching TV all night drinking a bottle of wine with the wife :D
I'm with you on thinking it is older than the 30 years, but it is hard to tell.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 29, 2008, 11:10:33 PM
wear can be deceptive, in either direction. IIRC the other example was from the early 60's. they were making this style of glass for a number of years.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: krsilber on May 29, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
Since iridescent finishes were being widely used in Bohemia, France, England and the US by the end of the 19th C (see Revi's Nineteenth Century Glass, Its Genesis and Development) it seems like it might be more productive to look for the shape or other clues as to manufacturer (easier said than done!!! ::)).  Sorry I can't be more help; I looked but couldn't find anything that matched.

Just an aside:  I noticed yesterday when looking at the site Andy provided a link to that Villanueva-Colado mentions some pieces in the Hosch section of Truitts' book 1 aren't actually Hosch.  He surmises that "FROM THE EVIDENCE, IT SEEMS HOSCH WAS A DECORATOR OF BLANKS FROM OTHER FACTORIES."  Appears he didn't read the text about Hosch in the Truitt book, which states that not only did they refine glass made by other companies, they were an exporter and purchased hot decorated and already-refined glass as well.  Ach, it's all so complicated!
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 30, 2008, 02:41:08 AM
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?messageID=1012591698&forumID=75&x#1012591698

here's an ebay thread with a similar treatment as well.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 30, 2008, 06:42:13 AM
Loetz did use clear feet, so why not clear handles. It's certainly a late 19th, early 20th century style. Try UV light testing it to see if it contains uranium, it might, but the iridescence can make it hard to tell
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Dave the Glass on May 30, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Just tested it under a UV light & definitely not Uranium glass no glow at all.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: pamela on May 30, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
Like and second your 'ACH' Kristi!
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Andy on May 31, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Dave,
heres the ebay link to the sold item with a similar finish. (from the ebay forum link above)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220218753761

LCT Tiffany Favril glass vase?  try some googling ;)
Andy

Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 31, 2008, 08:39:04 PM
that piece was also discussed in depth on the Ebay pottery board. it's not tiffany. it was identified as poschinger.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?messageID=2009955252&forumID=75&x#2009955252
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: azelismia on May 31, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
If you put the ebay number into the ebay search engine from the first post, you'll see it's that piece we were discussing.

Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Dave the Glass on June 01, 2008, 12:12:14 PM
Just had a close look at the post Andy put up & the dish, & they do look similar, but with having them both in your hand it is not easy. I think it is even closer to Poschinger as Azelismia suggested, but have not found any baskets by them :huh:
Not easy this research lark is it ;D
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Galle on June 02, 2008, 01:01:06 PM
This is most likely Poschniger. Loetz did not do stretch glass - Poschinger did. On the topic of Hosch, a lot of Kralik pieces wound up in their catalogs, but Kralik didn't do stretch glass either.
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: robbo on June 02, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
Here's another with a wavy rim (and Western Germany label)

290235012733 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290235012733)
Title: Re: Iridescent Loetz handled dish??
Post by: Dave the Glass on June 03, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
 :clap: Thanks for that Robbo that one looks very similar. Still always wanted to own a Porsche, & this is fairly close ;D

Dave