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Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Sklounion on December 23, 2004, 11:08:33 AM
Please could anyone advise on the date of the start of production of the above? Also, for those dealing in, or collecting knobblies, have you experienced any vases, that appear to be Whitefriars, are contemporary with, but are not Whitefriars items, based on colour, sizes, etc?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Marcus
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 23, 2004, 11:19:50 AM
Huge subject, Marcus.

Have you considered whether an initial query on one of the Whitefriars websites would be more productive, at least until you had identified the major players?

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Sklounion on December 23, 2004, 11:33:26 AM
Hi Bernard,
What has caused the query is that among the books I've recently acquired is one which appears to show knobbly vases, made in the former Czechoslovakia, which date to 1954. Almost a chicken and egg question I know. I'm not referring to those described as 'molar', but others @ 3-6 inches in height. Will send image by e-mail, as I still haven't mastered posting on-board.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Sklounion on December 23, 2004, 05:54:03 PM
Following on from my earlier query, the Whitefriars range date to 1963, designed Wilson and Dyer. If knobbly vases appeared before 1963, then my second question regarding knobblies that are not Whitefriars, still stands, anyone seen any?????
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: paradisetrader on December 24, 2004, 11:32:41 AM
I have seen tons of knobblies attributed to Whitefriars but which probably aren't so I'm not sure what you are looking for. Any chance of a pic ?
 
There should be quite a few posted on "Is It Whitefriars ?" at www.whitefriars.com.

Here's mine which I have never been able to ID and is NOT WF.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10006/normal_Glass%20036.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10006/normal_Glass%20005.jpg)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 24, 2004, 12:21:14 PM
It looks like Liskeard Glass to me, Peter.

See topic Nearly Knobbly, possibly Leerdam? (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,45.0.html) from early 2004.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: paradisetrader on December 24, 2004, 12:52:34 PM
Thanks for the thread link Bernard.
I do have a couple of pieces of Liskeard Glass for comparison. Both are cased in clear, thicker at the bottom and have the LG stamp.

Mine has no LG stamp on the base and is I fancy quite a bit older than Liskeard Glass (1978-1983).

I don' t know if all WF knobblies are shown in Lesie Jsckson's Whitefriars book as there's an aweful lot missing from it even many items from the textured range but I can't afford the £200 for the Museum of London book !!!

Fortunately most WF later production can be seen in the Galleries (much extended since I last looked) and the Auction Archive at www.whitefriars.org

Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 24, 2004, 01:53:55 PM
Evans et al doesn't help much.   £200.00!*!*!   It is not written for collectors; Jackson is ten times more useful.   On the other hand, when it is useful it is very very useful.  I presume it is out of print, hence the amazing premium.

A pity they didn't co-operate more to complement each other.   Neither book provides any reference to the knobbly lampbase (the proper big chunky "I'm a lumberjack" one - not the rather pathetic 9612 vase conversion which would fall over if you started snoring).

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Frank on December 28, 2004, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"
...and the Auction Archive at www.whitefriars.org...


Looks useful but no reference to the copyright holders of the images!  Could create trouble for the owner of the site.
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: svazzo on December 30, 2004, 04:54:00 AM
Hi!
Did Whitefriars make this vases in a White and Wine Red spatter pattern?
I have a vase that I have mixed thoughts about. It was sold to me as Murano, but I have seen others with knobbs or prunts, as in this thread, attributed to Whitefriars. My vase is actually more organic than the ones I saw on the Whitefriars site (thanks for the link!), so I dont know about its attribution... Any thoughts?

It was 1 of the first art glass pieces I ever bought, and it was sent from the UK. I have pictures of it on my computer, not on the net, and dont know how to load them on here. I can email the pic to anyone who can help if that is better.

Thanks!
Javier
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 30, 2004, 08:54:40 AM
Javier:

Most unlike anything I have seen attributed to WF, either in the flesh or in the two books.   Knobbly colour schemes from the 1964 WF trade catalogue page reproduced in Evans (the Museum of London book) were:There may have been one or two other colours, but nothing deviating significantly from these two basic styles.

If you download IrfanView, all you need to do is:Once you have mastered that it is a simple job to upgrade to using clickable thumbnails of around 100-120 pixel dimensions - a really user friendly 2-3Kb in file size.

I hope that helps, Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: svazzo on December 30, 2004, 11:02:32 AM
Hi Bernard,
Thanks for the info on the photos, but I have so many programs on this computer already, I don't think it can handle another one, lol. Also, I have tried others in the past and most are not compatible with MACs.
I am sure it will help the members of the site, so thanks for taking the time to explain it to us! :D

.... Just loaded the photo to my website, so if anyone can, please go to this page and scroll all the way down. There you will find the photo of my vase. You can enlarge it if you click on the image too.
http://www.svazzo.com/id3.html (http://www.svazzo.com/id3.html)

Any help would be great! I've had it for a while and haven't really thought of asking anyone about it until now.
Thanks again!
Javier
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 30, 2004, 11:21:02 AM
Javier:

Apols for assuming you were on Windows.   Your vase was almost certainly not made in the UK, at least I have never seen anything like it from a British glassworks.   I think you are quite right to concentrate on Murano, at least for starters.   I've checked Piña, Italian Glass C20, and there is nothing in there resembling it.

Happy New Year, Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Frank on December 30, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
Javier,

The colouring on your piece strikes me as Bohemian.
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Bernard C on December 30, 2004, 01:23:47 PM
Javier:

I suggest you don't give up on Murano until you have a positive ID.   On our last two visits, Janet and I have seen "spatter" glass very much in evidence in the factory shops.   Don't know about the colours.   Frank is far more knowledgeable than me on that.  It is not a field that I take much notice of - there is so much to see on Murano and never enough time.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2004, 05:57:50 PM
The vase attributed on the Svazzo website as "RARE! Triangular Shaped Vase with "Marletto" Design in White. Marletto Designs are often attributed to Archimede Seguso" is actually Czech rather than Murano. There was a discussion about these pieces on the Murano board.
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: svazzo on December 30, 2004, 10:47:17 PM
Thanks Frank!

So Bohemian is a likely source? I have to say I am so concentrated in Murano that haven’t had a look at that manufacturer yet.

Bernard...
I can discount WF for sure then? Ok, I'll try and search more on the Murano sites, and now Bohemian, to see what else I can find out. I havent seen this piece on any of the Piña books either.

For Guest...
Thanks for the comment on the Marletto style vase. I will check the Murano discussion board and see what I can find. Will make changes accordingly.

Thanks!
Javier
Title: Whitefriars knobbly vases
Post by: svazzo on December 30, 2004, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: "Anonymous"
.... is actually Czech rather than Murano. There was a discussion about these pieces on the Murano board.


Hi Guest,
The change has been done! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I havent read all the posts on the boards, so if you have any other suggestions that have been brought up on attributions, let me know.
Title: Whitefriars? or Zemek?
Post by: Sklounion on January 11, 2005, 10:18:58 PM
Under advisement of my peers, and elders, I post this link: http://tinypic.com/18cg07
The image (hutnicky tvarovane vazy, 1954, Skrdlovice) by  Frantisek Zemek, photographer Jindrich Brok, is sourced from: Jiri Masin: "Frantisek Zemek", published by Nakladatelstvi Ceskoslovenkych Vytvarnych Umelcu, Praha 1963, and the image is the copyright of Jindrich Brok, or his heirs. At the request of the copyright holder this image will be immediately removed....This image was the reason for the original posting.
Marcus