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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: rocco on June 02, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
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Interesting addition to my Czech glass collection:
big (height 25 cm) Pulegoso vase, very Art Deco shape. Base ground, with big polished pontil mark.
Sypka auction catalogue (part 2) has one in an identical shape, identified as Českomoravské sklárny, S. Reich, Krasno, model nr. 40/201/1640.
(Only difference I see is that theirs seems to have a smooth rim, while the one in mine is cut, bevelled and polished).
I have seen a few pieces in this style in the past, but was never sure where they might come from; so Reich & Co. seems likely for some of them...
Haven't found much online (apart from some fabulous information in Pressglaskorrespondenz). So any more info highly appreciated!
Thanks,
Michael
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I love this pulegoso effect :) Is the number of the vase 40/301/1640 Michael? or am I looking at a different catalogue? I can see it is the same but I had been wondering if your vase has had the rim ground and polished later if it also has a pontil mark? However looking at the picture (page 40?)yours is very slightly different I think in that it has an outward 'ring' also at the top by the rim whereas the one in the picture doesn't look as though it has that ring. It just finishes straight up with a firepolished rim.
m
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I came across this searching - it's not Reich, but are these the same effect? also pulegoso?
http://www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo/25-STARE-CLANKY-OLD-ARTICLES/2924-Lichtagovi
m
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Thanks a lot, m!
Yes, I came across the site about Lichtagova (great little essay by Jindrich!:) )
I may have got the numbering from the Sypka catalogue wrong, it is from the one entitled "Czech glass, a private collection part II")
Here is >> another one on Austrian ebay (http://www.ebay.at/itm/321121270342), same shape and height, with a firepolished rim as well; the glass in both of those looks a lot thicker than in mine, that is why I wonder if the cut and bevelled rim in mine might be original rather than cut down.
And I would guess that the difference in the shape of the rim might be due to hotworking (the upper ring might become less pronounced that way?)
I don't know if it is clear in my pics, but mine is cased, the two evenly thick layers are quite obvious in my pic of the rim: an outer layer of colourless pulegoso glass, and an inner layer of brown/orange speckled (also) pulegoso glass.
Colours are a little bit dull, but I love the shimmering pulegoso, too :)
And as it is quite transparent due to the thin glass, it looks really lovely when backlit.
Michael
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One more ;D
Same shape (and mould?) as my previous one, but short neck. May have been cut down, but could have been a different pattern, too -- proportions look ok to me. If I didn't know of the other one, I would be convinced it should look this way.
No polished pontil mark this time.
Again two differently coloured pulegoso layers.
Michael
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Another nice S. Reich pulegoso vase from the early 1940s, "Antik"-range.
26 cm high, sand coloured with yellow, blue and brown patches and streaks. Polished pontil mark.
(There is a hole drilled just above the base, so this obviously was a lamp base once...)
Michael
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mmm lovely shape and nice colours in that one as well - is that green uranium at all?
m
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Thanks, m!
I liked the colours as well (and the rather big size, compared to my Beranek Pulegoso pieces)
I don't think it's Uranium -- acidic yellow, no hint of green glow.
But I will test when I borrow the UV torch nex time...
Michael
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That is one of the most wonderful shapes on pulegosos I´ve seen, Michael. :green: :)
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Thanks, Dirk. :)
BTW, I am 90% convinced the mystery pulegoso vase with orange rim in your gallery ( >> Link (https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/EmanuelBeranek#5845492977830077442) ) is Reich as well. I have seen the same design here once...
Michael
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I think you may be right about that. It sticks out a little from the other output.
Still think the large vase with the cut rim is Beranek though... (the other one with??) ;)
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When I was researching the early history of Beranek at Skrdlovice, for the book, discovering the links between CMS and Emanuel Beranek and M. Veliskova and others who worked at Beranek in the early days, explained to me a lot why we find the distinction between CMS and Beranek very difficult, after all, numerous techniques and patterns travelled from CMS to Skrdlovice virtually unchanged, a fact which I was happy to try to help document. For some pieces, such as the ones in discussion are really hard to be sure about at times. I still find this a difficult area at times. A really fascinating small area of glass history, that is not yet fully documented, CMS output especially. The CMS pieces are really hard to find. I liked the link you posted Rocco to the Phd article from the Czech Republic regarding this area, unfortunately, it was too late to add it to the book this time.
Robert (bOBA)
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Thanks Dirk, Robert!
I agree -- hard to be really sure about some of these pieces.
There is even a vaguely similar shape in the early Skrdlovice pattern books, PN 4564...
Still, as the mould blown pieces with the ringed neck which started this thread are definately CMS / S. Reich & Co., I would attribute my last purchase without much doubt to Reich as well, due to the same streaky mottled glass and identical colours.
As I cannot see the shape of Dirk's other "?" (beautiful) pink/yellow Pulegoso vase in the early Skrdlovice pattern books, I would lean towards Reich as well.
BTW, I still could kick myself for not buying an absolutely gorgeous big Reich pulegoso lamp base a few years back; but I didn't know much about this kind of glass then, and as I couldn't find it in the Skrdlovice pattern books, and the rim was cut and polished with several small chips, I thought that it was a vase with cut down neck (and far too expensive for a damaged piece). Now I know that the right light fitting would have hidden any damage, and that the rim was original...
Michael
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I have been collecting and studying this glass for a long time. I agree that your recent vase is Reich Rocco, mainly based on the colours being very Reich CMS as seen in the Cesko Moravske museum collection and elsewhere, which are definitely slightly different to early Beranek, but at a glace look similar. Dirk has a cut up rim vase I would be tempted to attribute on the same basis. The black and white pattern books cannot really help us with this kind of analysis....
yours,
Robert
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Thank you very much for the additional info, Robert!
I am aware that there remains a little uncertainty which of the two companies made pieces like this; but I can live with a likely attribution :)
Michael
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I agree, either are good! I tend to see more old Skrdlovice with a concave polished pontil rod mark though, so if the lamp has one, that would be a bit confusing for me,
Robert (bOBA)
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I notice that one of your CMS vases also has a concave polished pontil rod mark so I would suspect the base finish may have varied at CMS. As you know, all Skrdlovice early Beranek tends to have small concave polished pontil rod marks...
Robert (bOBA)
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Thanks, Robert.
Yes, seems that the pontil finish wouldn't rule out either of these makers.
Michael
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True up to a point, but I do think that (apart from the odd piece) as a general indicator, the base finish and a cut rim together can be indicative of factory. Cut rim and flat base indicates probably CMS for me, although, as you say, not a "proof". At the same time, I have not seen a definite early Beranek pattern with a flat base and no pontil rod mark.
I am pretty sure this one with flower decor is CMS, cut rim and flat, uniform base. The colours of the CMS pulegoso are usually slightly different from early Beranek too, as here, the mottled lower half is not coloured quite how I have seen early Beranek, though the photo does not make this distinction very clear! I was quite suprised to see on a quick google search that the same mould seems to have been used for signed CMS cameo vases of the same height (28cm) and shape.
Robert (bOBA)
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Lovely piece, Robert! (Though I have to confess I would prefer it without the painted flowers ;) )
I noticed that CMS Krasno used this shape widely, with several techniques - Cameo, single coloured with painted decoration, Ikora-like crackle,...
Michael