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Title: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 13, 2008, 11:13:31 AM
the decanter comes with 6 well faceted small glasses...
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 13, 2008, 11:14:49 AM
and a base pic .....the decanter is very heavy and so are the small glasses
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: krsilber on July 14, 2008, 07:18:45 AM
This doesn't look like Lobmeyr to me.  It's pressed, isn't it?  Your photos are quite small, it's hard to see the design.  What about it makes you think it's Lobmeyr?  Interesting decanter, it would be nice to see a bigger photo or two.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set ...larger pics
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 07:40:30 AM
this decanter is so heavy and the base is polished smooth...the small glasses tell me that it is crystal...the stopper is deep cut on the edges..the man i had purchased it from says its lobmeyer and brought it out just before the war...ok so thats his story!
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 07:42:40 AM
so some bigger pics and hope this helps
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: Mosquito on July 14, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
The decanter looks more like a Hoffmann or Schlevogt piece, though I don't immediately recognise the pattern.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 10:35:54 AM
thank you all for the interest and the suggestions....i have searched for months on this one and finally sucumed to the forum which i have noticed to be of a high standard and so helpful.as i am not a glass fundi...more on english and european porcelain...i really appreciate all the help and advice.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: aa on July 14, 2008, 04:06:32 PM
Here are a couple of links to some information on Lobmeyr.

http://www.lobmeyrusa.com/history.html

http://www.luzicke-hory.cz/historie/index.php?pg=clskloe

I met Peter Rath a few times in the Eighties and he is very approachable and very knowledgeable, so in the absence of any definitive knowledge it might be worth trying to contact him.

Lobmeyr is an extraordinary company and I think that I am correct in saying that it is one of the oldest decorative glass enterprises in the world still owned by members of the founding family. My limited knowledge precludes me from categorically stating the it is the oldest, but I should be very interested to learn if anyone knows of anything older.

Please note that I use the term enterprise, because Lobmeyr began as a glass shop (retailer) founded in 1823 and it was only after WWI that it began manufacturing in its own factory. However, it has also been a retailer throughout its history. So it is very possible that when the original dealer said that it was Lobmeyr, he meant that it was originally sold by Lobmeyr, and it is quite conceivable that it was manufactured by one of the two factories mentioned by Steven.

Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: Ivo on July 14, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
Visited Lobmeyr last year, a fabulous shop in the heart of Vienna in a most fantastic building. The top floor is museum where you can see what they sold in the last 200 years or so. You can mail them and ask if your decanter was retailed by them, and they will tell you if they know as they are genuinely nice people.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 06:12:47 PM
wow!!┬Ęthank you both for all that information and still lots to learn in my later years...smile...and i just love it.certainly people like yourselves who have such a wealth of knowledge awakens a new interest for me in glass...as in the past i have ignored this field totally and now i find myself looking and buying so much.
thank u for the suggestions and support.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: krsilber on July 14, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
Lobmeyr's one of my favorite glass companies.  Although they were a retailer from the beginning, their primary contribution to glass has always been their designs.  They integrated Bohemian traditions with other European ones, and were especially successful at bringing Islamic styles and motifs into their work.

According to J & L Lobmeyr, Between Tradition and Innovation (ed. Peter Noever, MAK Museum, Vienna), they actually did have a glass factory for a short period in the mid-19th C.  They also at times had decorators working directly under them, though at home workshops.  Ludwig Lobmeyr wrote, "In my father's lifetime already, we established a so-called refinery at Blottendorf near Haid in Bohemia. We took on a manager, rented warehouse space for storage of our so-called raw ware (that is, wares as ther were produced by the glass blower) which, depending on what was needed, were distributed to cutters, engravers, gilders, and painters in the area, who were homeworkers almost without exception, having their own cottage and garden and, at most, a piece of field, and, if finished, were sent back to our representative."

Although in the 19th C their blanks were almost entirely obtained from other companies and often decorated by them as well (Meyrs Neffe primary among them), since the designs were Lobmeyr's, that's who gets the attribution.  There were so many home workshops and so much trade in blanks among Bohemian companies that often the actual manufacturer isn't really that important.

I know far less about Lobmeyr in the 20th C.  However, they are known for their engraving and cutting, and the thing that makes me wonder most about this piece is that the design looks pressed...doesn't seem like something Lobmeyr would do (or design).  On their Austrian site (http://www.lobmeyr.at/dt/glas/index.htm) it says, "Mouth blown, cut, engraved and polished, each of our pieces passes through at least 18 hands in its production."  Maybe they went through a period of designing pressed glass, I don't know.

And just to clarify, a piece may be pressed and cut, so even if some of the decanter has cut facets (or facets that were pressed then ground and/or polished to make them look entirely cut), that doesn't mean it wasn't pressed.

Very interesting piece!  Adam's idea of contacting Lobmeyr about it is an excellent one.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 10:12:43 PM
great stuff and thank u.....i have sent pics off to Lobmyer and a request for id..will post comments here if they are forthcoming.
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 14, 2008, 10:14:03 PM
just dont seem to type that correctly...lol...Lobmeyr
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: norman warbreck on July 26, 2008, 05:18:53 PM
hi there once again,
some info on this piece,not from the e mail i sent to the factory...but whilst browsing a market i found a similar piece with its photo from a catologue
heinrich hoffman & curt schlevolgt gablonz c1930...bohemian glass factory pressed glass and polished
german...rauchfarbenes pressglass.
any other ideas?
Title: Re: is this a Lobmeyer decanter set??
Post by: krsilber on July 26, 2008, 05:54:40 PM
That's what Steven suggested earlier, and I think that's a good direction to look in.  More likely than Lobmeyr.