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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Belgium and the Netherlands Glass => Topic started by: mhgcgolfclub on July 31, 2012, 03:27:24 PM

Title: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 31, 2012, 03:27:24 PM
A large cut glass vase outer colbalt blue inner uranium glass with a clear base.

I am pretty sure its Val St Lambert from about the 1920's.

Height 10" or 25cm

Weight 1930 gm or 4.4 pounds.

Pictures were teaken with flash , pictures 3and 4 are a true colour.

Roy

Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Paul S. on July 31, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
very attractive Roy.     I assume Pamela's glas-musterbuch notes on VSL are for pressed glass only.       You might like to look at Gerry LaCroix's web comments 'How do you know it's Val-St.-Lambert'  -  may not really help but certainly very interesting  - 
http://www.cutglass.org/articles/val.pdf  -  I hope this works. :-\          One of the triple colour tazza cut patterns he shows occurs in Millers '20th Century Glass' - by Judith Miller (page 163).                      Is the base polished flat - and what is the extent of wear?     A lot of VSL is stylus signed, but how far back this practise started I've no idea, but Ivo might have better information.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 31, 2012, 08:29:14 PM
Thanks Paul

When I bought I first thought VSL but could not see any mark untill I was outside.

The base is concaved and there is a faint acid etched mark which I think is VSL but cannot read although it has the outer circle and a inner circle with words between the 2 circles and I think a pattern in the center which seems to be right for VSL I hope.

Looking down into the vase a nice colbalt blue base.

Plenty of wear to the outer rim.

Roy
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Paul S. on July 31, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
looking at my link (which you can probably re-arrange yourself in order to access) - there doesn't appear to be a backstamp forming a circle containing words, as such.        VSL did/do produce a paper label which contained their name in full plus the word Belgium - all arranged in a circle.         What is this pattern that "seems to be right for VSL?"  ;D            Almost all of their backstamps were/are stylus formed, but an acid one was produced.
Regret that I'm the least knowedgable about Belgian glass - so unable to comment with any authority  -  I think this is the blind (me) leading the not quite so blind ;)
However, it's a very nice vase - was it that town we both know of, again.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 01, 2012, 04:10:32 AM
Paul

Yes I agree there is  a paper label which looks similar which has a flower pattern in the middle, maybe they did also use an acid mark as well . I could be totally wrong and it could be a czech mark but I do not think so .

Will have to wait and see what other people think

I bought the vase at the Kempton fair .

Thanks again

Roy
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: paradisetrader on August 01, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
VSL would be most people's first guess as they were probably the most prolific maker of colour-cut-to-colour.
Even  after heavy editing (crop & increase contrast massively) I still can't make out the letters on the stamp. It does seem to be in an odd script which may be VSL's cursive style.
Pete
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 02, 2012, 04:03:43 AM
Thanks Pete

Thanks for trying to edit the mark. Someone has said to me could it be the remains of a paper label, I am not sure  I know that I have polished the base to remove any smears several times to try and get a clearer look and the mark seems to be permanent. I will wait until I am home when day light and have another look. If it is a stamp I think it looks like it was not a clean stamp and may have been slightly smudge so to make it difficult to get a clear image

Thanks Roy
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: chopin-liszt on August 02, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
The talcum powder or cornflour trick might bring the stamp up a bit better?
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: paradisetrader on August 02, 2012, 11:13:06 AM
Remains of a label is perfectly possible. There have been many instances of that reported here over the years.

Examples of labels at
www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mark.htm  (http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mark.htm) and
www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index75.html (http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index75.html)

A high resolution image of just the mark itself should give much better results. I know it's tricky as modern cameras seek out something sharp & high contrast to focus on. Try manual focus and or macro, if you have those functions.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Paul S. on August 02, 2012, 12:06:30 PM
looking at the VSL labels in all of the links provided, it does seem that they all show a drawn image of a cut star in the centre of the label  -  don't know if this helps Roy.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on August 02, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
Thanks for all your help.

I have looked at the mark for as long as possible and think it may be the remains of a label rather than an acid etched mark. The mark is permanent in the glass from what I can see and could only be removed by being polished out is that possible ?.

I have taken many pictures of the mark most with macro the best being below which I think is no better than the others

Thanks Roy
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Anne Tique on January 24, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
This model from VSL is called 'Alex' and yes, as you mentioned in your original post, it is from the 20ies.
I have got it illustrated in the catalogue 'Cristaux de Fantaisie' from 1926, i'll post a picture tomorrow, once I've taken a picture by daylight.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Anne Tique on January 25, 2016, 10:47:18 AM
Here's the image from the catalogue ... obviously this is the clear doublé bleu version.
Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 25, 2016, 03:53:49 PM
Anne, you are just wonderful.   :)
Trawling through loads of old threads and updating them with accurate and highly informative info. and sorting out controversies.
You're a glassie angel. Thank-you.  :-*

Title: Re: VSL large cut vase colbalt blue / uranium clear base
Post by: Daniel on June 15, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
The whole thread is a great read!