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Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on August 31, 2006, 09:52:33 PM: Hello all
Not sure who made this, and there are absolutely no markings anyplace on the piece. There was a hint of a reference in Jenny Thompson's book (no illustrations) saying that dogs were made, many with no marks (books are packed away, so I cannot reference exact page). This was in the Derbyshire chapter. This piece has a base that is 4 1/4" in diameter (10.7 cm) and it is 4 5/8" tall (12.2 cm). The base is hollow, up into the body. I think the only chance of identifying it might be by the shape of the base. The mould was 3 piece. the top of the head shows where all of the mold pieces came together, giving it a very flat brow/ridge, just above the eyes. Anyone have any thoughts on this piece? It is flint glass. I just got it from a seller in England. The cost was about 60 GBP by the time I got done with shipping.

http://www.vaselineglass.org/dogfrontback.jpg

Dave
aka: Mr. Vaseline Glass
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Sid on September 01, 2006, 01:22:52 AM: Dave:

I'm thinking this is Baccarat. Look through the back issues of PressGlas Korrespondenz for catalog reprints from this factory from the 1870 - 80 period. I do not have access to my files at this time so can't look for it myself.

My dog is frosted clear lead glass. There is a matching cat which has been reproduced in the 1950s.

Sid
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Sid on September 01, 2006, 01:37:46 AM: Dave:

Memory is correct. Have a look at this article:

http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-2w-christoph-kater-hund.pdf

Sid
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 01, 2006, 01:50:21 AM: Sid and everyone!

WAAAAAAAAY too cool!!!
thanks a lot!
Dave
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 01, 2006, 02:08:12 AM: Sid, the seller said that she also had the cat, but it was too damaged, and was disposed of! (DAMN!!!). It was also vaseline glass.
Dave
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Sid on September 01, 2006, 02:47:42 AM: Dave:

That is a real shame! The cat's ears are almost always chipped.

Sid
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Max on September 01, 2006, 06:27:39 AM: (http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac10.gif) Well done Dave! Well spotted Sid! Well jealous - Max. :evil:

:wink:
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Bernard C on September 01, 2006, 06:52:47 AM: Well done Sid.

Besides the animal and human figures, watch out for the old rugged cross by Derbyshire, a rarity. I've only seen one. It has the "JD" trademark on the base, unusual as many glass houses would not put a commercial mark on a religious object. The bull's head piano insulator is another rarity, again I've only seen the one, badly chipped.

Bernard C. 8)
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Ivo on September 01, 2006, 07:08:23 AM: Be aware that if there is a ridge underneath the sockle you may be looking at the Czech version modeled after the Baccarat version; Marc Christoph mentions this in the article.
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 01, 2006, 12:59:33 PM: Ivo
I can't read German (and thanks for pointing it out) but the only one I saw in the article with the ridge was the cat version. Mine does not have a ridge, so I think I am safe.

Bernard: I also have a photo around somewhere of a ram's head piano insulator. The person that bought it on ebay donated it to the Broadfield House museum. I *think* it is also a Derbyshire. I was not aware of the old rugged cross. I will have to keep my eyes peeled for that one.

Dave
aka: Mr. Vaseline Glass
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Bernard C on September 01, 2006, 01:32:48 PM: Quote from: "mrvaselineglass"
... I also have a photo around somewhere of a ram's head piano insulator. The person that bought it on ebay donated it to the Broadfield House museum. I *think* it is also a Derbyshire. I was not aware of the old rugged cross. I will have to keep my eyes peeled for that one. ...

Dave — I've not seen the ram's head version.

I had a pleasant moment sorting for Woking last week. I managed to unite two epergne blocks which have been unsuccessfully trying to get together for about four years, always ending up in different oddments boxes. One is a standard 6+1 ribbed, or, more correctly, gadrooned, the other a 3+1 registered design with leaf and berry (cherry?) relief decoration and a difficult registration lozenge. Both are the same fitting with locking slots. I've only ever seen one coloured block, in green to match the three leaf sprays.

More when I get them photographed and F T P working.

Bernard C.
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Sid on September 01, 2006, 04:41:32 PM: Hello:

With regards to the rim under the base, Baccarat also made covered dishes where the top appears to be the same design as a Press Papier (paperweight) listed elsewhere in the catalog. I think that the lids likely had a rim to keep them from sliding off. I have a memory that these cats and dogs were used as lids but again I can't access my files right now.

Have a look at the two catalog cuts for the cats on the first page of the PK article referenced earlier. It appears that the 1885 version has a rim under the base. There is also an A appended to the item number which may imply something or nothing. The catalog cut of the dog from 1885 may show a rim but it is hard to tell from these scans.

Sid
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 01, 2006, 04:47:18 PM: I also noticed from the original catalog illustrations that the two dogs shown were slightly different in height (though I could not read the height listing). However, the catalog illustration of the dog on the left shows a different length of front leg and that one seems to match closer to the one I have than the later version. From this, I am making the assumption that my doggie was made in the 1870 time period. Again, I am greatful for Sid's long memory, as this could easily have gone a long time as a mystery to me!
Dave
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Pat on September 23, 2006, 12:22:49 PM: I'm resurrecting this post because I did not fully understand it. eg. Sockle. and today I bought the uranium glass cat. It is damaged but I remembered this thread so I bought it in the hope to find out if it is old or a copy and again how to tell. It has chipped ears and a large chip out of the bottom which can be seen on the back. 4.75" tall, hollow and three piece mould. Funnily enough the lady said she had the dog but broke it and threw it away! Mrvaseline glass and I have a pair between us.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3396
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3395
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3394
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3393
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 23, 2006, 02:23:25 PM: Pat
thanks so much for showing us the kitty! (glad it got rescued) May I borrow a couple of your photos? I am going to do a short "ID" article for our glass club newsletter on the dog, and now that there is a Kitty photo example too, it would be good to include it.
Dave
aka: Mr. Vaseline Glass.
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: Pat on September 23, 2006, 03:44:27 PM: Of course you may use the photos. But is mine the same as yours or is it a copy. Do you know?
Title: ID needed: Brit DOG vaseline/uranium glass, DERBYSHIRE??
Post by: mrvaselineglass on September 23, 2006, 04:02:22 PM: Yours is a cat. Mine is a dog! Yours appears to be the original and I don't think that the reproduction was made in vaseline/uranium glass.