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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: yesvil on September 05, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
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Thanks all.
Paul - boot sales were, until a couple of years back, awash with the better stuff i.e with Rg. Nos. and diamonds, but those days have gone, unfortunately
I did find these beauties at the same carboot. Diamond mark for 1860's:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-coXDMMw2Y7k/TmUNioqTXOI/AAAAAAAAASU/j_Hp84Qesrs/s800/DSC_7581.JPG)
Christine - Thanks I will keep American In mind. That WorthPoint site really does my head in, I always end up there with something I'm researching only for it to tell me I have to sign-up for more info! Grrrrrrr - Anyone here signed up? is it another rip-off? I suspect so.
Rosie - I'm not sure what it is! All I know is that it's damn hard to photograph. I am veering towards a V but will give your suggestion the Google treatment - thanks.
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omg..... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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yesvil, you have a couple of Molineaux Webb pieces there registered in 1864 and 1865
See
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-designs-by-date/molineaux-webb-1846-1864
and the following page for 1865
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yesvil, you have a couple of Molineaux Webb pieces there registered in 1864 and 1865
See
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-designs-by-date/molineaux-webb-1846-1864
and the following page for 1865
Hi Neilh,
Yes, I recognized them as soon as I saw them and confirmed it with a trip to your website. I actually bought them from different stalls a couple of lanes apart which was a little coincidental - Do you know how long this design was in production for by any chance?
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It was almost certainly in production until the closure of the business (1929), perhaps beyond that if the molds were sold on. Their pressed Greek Key pieces pop up on eBay more often than any other so it all suggests they were very popular for a long time, or people didn't throw them away as much as other pieces!
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It was almost certainly in production until the closure of the business (1929), perhaps beyond that if the molds were sold on. Their pressed Greek Key pieces pop up on eBay more often than any other so it all suggests they were very popular for a long time, or people didn't throw them away as much as other pieces!
So this begs a few questions:
Would the Victorian registration mark still be in place on the items that where being produced in 1929? How long does a mold last anyway? If it was a hi-production design, would the molds not need to be changed every ?so-many-years? If they changed the mold after the period the Victorian mark was used, would they not omit the out of date registration mark?
You can probably tell by my questions that I'm trying to place my items in the early part of their production - are there any other indicators to determine this? Sorry for so many questions.
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Very good points and I wish I had an answer. There is another thread which mentions a Burtles & Tate swan missing a registration mark. I also have a Molineaux Webb fish which is missing a registration mark. Both pieces were registered in 1885 and should have a number.
I was discussing this the other week with a glass collector and I was putting forward a theory that Thomas Kidd of Manchester, who made swans and fish which have never been identified, might have taken the molds from other Manchester companies and reused it after removing the registration mark from the mold (if this is even possible). Registration protection only lasted for 3 years so companies could also have validly copied a design minus the mark without the need for the original mold.
I'm sure one of the more experienced contributors would have a view on this..
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Thanks again Neilh. Hopefully someone can give us some further insights.