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Title: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: Littleblackhen on September 30, 2008, 10:56:53 PM
The last item of my recent haul of glass :)

This irridescent vase is hard to photograph as it doesn't show the metallic sheen too well.  I bought it from a photo, and it isn't quite what I envisaged.  I would love an id and a date - my feeling is that it is quite recent.  The glass is very thick and heavy, a little bit clunky.



Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Galle on October 01, 2008, 11:06:56 PM
Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase. Nice - I have one, too. :) :hiclp:
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Galle on October 01, 2008, 11:08:33 PM
Forgot to say... date would be circa 1930s.
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Littleblackhen on October 02, 2008, 06:48:15 AM
Hi Galle

Thanks for the id, it certainly looks the same as the one in your photo gallery :)  Kralik is what I had in mind when I bought it from ebay.

I am very puzzled though, because mine simply doesn't feel right to be 70 years old, it has hardly any base wear or scratches, and feels very clunky and thick. Is yours the same, or does yours show it's age?



Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Galle on October 02, 2008, 12:23:55 PM
Mine is the same - it was confirmed as Kralik though by Alfredo Villanueva of the Loetz.com site - he said he learned about them from museums in the Czech Republic.
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Frank on October 02, 2008, 02:57:57 PM
Wear can be deceptive, as if something is kept boxed or in a cabinet it will not get any or much wear. Equally wear can be added to something straight from the factory, although that is easily distinguished with experience - added wear never exhibits sufficient randomness.
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Littleblackhen on October 02, 2008, 03:32:16 PM
Well, I would be delighted for it to be Kralik, I love their art nouveau glass :) 

I will be selling it and I do like to try to be as spot on as I possibly can be with attributions.

I know wear doesn't definitely prove or disprove anything, but most glass pieces do have a perceptible amount of scratching over the years, no matter how carefully kept, and it seems odd for two to turn up both in as new condition. Mine in particular looks as though it has never been stood on a surface at all, the base looks freshly ground.  I am also aware I am quite new at this, so probably I shouldn't have an opinion at all :)

Are there going to be any glass fairs in the North of England where I could bring it for someone to look at?  All the ones I see seem to be in the South, and I get very jealous of you all being able to go. :mus:

Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Galle on October 03, 2008, 12:26:21 AM
I live on the East Coast of the U.S., so I can't help you there. :)

Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 06:41:29 AM
Hi I have two of these vases one from Australia and one from UK . They do perplex as they seem so good but I have put it to a panel of experts and they agree that they are Kralik lustre .
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: scimiman on July 28, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
Hi,
These have been on here before and to my memory no one has identified as being from any particular studio but I dont remember IDing them as Kralik. They dont have a great deal of age to them.
Good hunting.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 09:46:13 AM
Hi scriman I love your glass. I have posted these vases twice on a Bohemian glass site and the experts there say they are Kralik.
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 09:46:47 AM
oops scimiman
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: scimiman on July 28, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
I always bow to a greater knowledge.
One of these were on here a month or two ago and it was asked then if it was Kralik and the answer then was no but thought to be modern.
Mike Moir will give you and emphatic yes or no.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 12:10:31 PM
I must confess that they are not like any other pieces I have of Kralik but have seen then on a noted collctors site so ask twice of a Bohemian glass group which I think Mike possibly  is a part of . The  replies I got was that it was Kralik. They do look so shiney and new .
Ill ask again. Do you have any idea who or where they are made ??
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 12:18:17 PM
here is a site with them on
http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/kralik
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: scimiman on July 28, 2011, 01:48:24 PM
I,m obliged to my learned friend.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: scimiman on July 28, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
Mike Moir is bowing to your attribution and thats good enough for me.
Kralik it is.

Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on July 28, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
I hope Mike and I and the others are correct. Did you ask Mike?
Regards Marty
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on August 29, 2011, 08:26:15 PM
Adding my version for future reference as it is a different shape.  There appears to be no base wear because the base is very gently indented, so on my version there is a very thin ring of wear right on the outer edge of the base which can be seen under a magnifying glass.  The decor continues right under the base with the trails going right under as well. The rim is cut polished and bevelled.  9" tall or 23cm and weighs over 2lb or nearly 1kg.
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: martoz on August 29, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
Hi Flying free, thanks for this new shape .
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: Fuhrman Glass on August 30, 2011, 12:28:16 AM
These may have been made by Dinu Diaconescu, dino art glass in Rumania. Has anyone ever mentioned his work here. He's made some very nice stuff. not sure this is his but it may help some of you identify some other pieces. you can find him under listings with www.glassartists.org
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on August 30, 2011, 08:37:36 PM
Oh thanks for that :) I've had a small google around and can't see anything quite the same, but I think most of what I can see is fairly recent work perhaps. Some gorgeous pieces there though.
My instinct is that my piece is old, I really don't think it is a recent piece, however I can't prove it.
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please?
Post by: Frank on August 31, 2011, 12:26:41 AM
... it was confirmed as Kralik though by Alfredo Villanueva of the Loetz.com site - he said he learned about them from museums in the Czech Republic.

These may have been made by Dinu Diaconescu, dino art glass in Rumania. Has anyone ever mentioned his work here. He's made some very nice stuff. not sure this is his but it may help some of you identify some other pieces. you can find him under listings with www.glassartists.org

With the original attribution based on a museum report, museums do get things wrong, it is worth reviewing. Eliminating Diaconescu by contacting him and also by trying to get more detail on the museum attributions source.
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on August 31, 2011, 07:08:00 AM
Frank, I agree. 
I'll send him an email later today with a link to this thread.
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: goyjus on October 01, 2012, 09:57:07 AM
Any developments on this? Have just posted a similar piece on this thread:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49650.0.html

Jury seems to be out: Kralik v Taiwan.

Any thoughts appreciated...
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on October 01, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
thanks for doing the  link and cross reference
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: goyjus on October 01, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
No worries. Cheers for the lead. Interesting stuff...
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: obscurities on October 01, 2012, 05:34:15 PM
For what it is worth, these have never struck me strongly as Kralik, even with museum references.

I handled a pair at a show a couple of months ago and that led me further from Kralik than ever......  I would likely lean tmuch further east myself....  especially after the pair I saw.... 

Craig
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on October 01, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
did you not think they were good quality Craig? I'm not arguing with the Taiwan label.  But I am questioning another vase I have now.  And I think these are much better quality than that one.  I've had a green cased vase with white interior with a Taiwan label and that was truly of much inferior quality.
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: obscurities on October 02, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
M, 

I felt they were OK quality.....  Not as bad as some I have seen, but certainly not of the execution, color and glass quality I would associate with older glass.  Even the way the glass surface felt was not "right".

Craig
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on October 02, 2012, 04:41:48 PM
ugggh , I just lost my post  >:(
 I understand what you are saying Craig.  I've had another look at mine and I still feel theoretically it is a well made piece, it is 9" (22.5cm) tall weighs 2.2lb or 1kg and the rim is polished and bevelled and measures 3.5mm or 1/8", so a good weight for size etc. finished well no issues.  But I have changed my view on it since I last posted that I thought it was an old piece(and not just because of the Taiwan label lol.  It has never been out on display with any of my glass because it didn't work with anything else. 
My problem with it has always been the brashness of the iridescence and the applied colours, it's gaudy, and also the 'speckliness' of the surface feel and iridescence on it.  It's not sticky per se but it has an odd texture as though before it was dry it was covered in very very fine granular bits...or something.
I've taken some pics which might show this, and a comparison to a Kralik piece for future ref.  None of my Kralik pieces feel remotely like this vase does regardless of decor.
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 02, 2012, 05:12:58 PM
Could the difference in surface texture be something to do with differences in the "quality" of annealing times? Perhaps the Kralik might have been done more slowly and steadily or in a cleaner atmoshpere...
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: obscurities on October 02, 2012, 05:33:18 PM
The surface of both of the pieces I handled had a "granular" feel to them. Your example appears that it would feel the same way based on what I found on the pair......   Also, the color combinations on these pieces never seem quite "right" to me, and seem a little haphazard and disjointed.....
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: glassobsessed on October 03, 2012, 03:52:11 PM
I handled one of these vases today and it 'felt' modern to me. Much of the Kralik I have handled had odd bubbles or bits of ash/frit in the glass, quite unlike the vase I saw today.

John
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 03, 2012, 05:45:47 PM
 ;)
Has anybody tried licking this and Kralik to compare yet?
(says she, suddenly remembering one of Leni's methods of ascertaining quality)
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on October 03, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
eek no...it's too garish - I'm not sure what is on it is edible lol
m
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 03, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
I didn't say you should swallow it.  ;)
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: Frank on November 30, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
Frank, I agree. 
I'll send him an email later today with a link to this thread.
m
Any result?
Title: Re: Irridescent vase - id please? ID: Wilhelm Kralik Söhne, Lustre vase
Post by: flying free on November 30, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
No, they didn't get back to me .... neither did the Passau about a lamp base either .  I must chase them up.
m