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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 01:43:07 AM
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Can anyone tell me if this is a Walther vase? or is it Bohemian?
It has picture of Greek Warriors on the side...definitely not Moser..
thank you!
Liz
Mod: Pics gone, thread retained for info re Walther & Moser
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Hi Liz
If you're sure its not Moser then yes it is most probably Walther... I'll see if I can find the model name later
Regards
Gareth
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Hi Liz
If you're sure its not Moser then yes it is most probably Walther... I'll see if I can find the model name later
Regards
Gareth
Hi again
Walther did not actually give this range a name....which is quite unusual for them. I found a few vases very similar except your one has a deeper than average gold band.
They appear to have stopped making these around 1932/3 and this could have been an earlier 1920's piece that I do not have a catalogue for.
Perhaps someone else could advise if they know of any other manufacturer.
Regards
Gareth
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by the look of it the panels are cut, not pressed - which would make it Moser. So where are the greek warriors - hiding in the shrubbery?
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Liz, why are you sure it is not Moser?
I don't think it's Walther though..........
Glen
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Liz
I tend to think along the same lines as Ivo and Glen as it does have a look of quality about it...reminds me of a Hoffman vase I had a while back......the other feature that I think is unlike Walther is the scalloped cutting on the rim.... the rims of the Walther show typical pressed glass limitations..... and going back to Walther I think they only appeared to use a couple of different styles of figures for their frieze... and this most definately does not look like it.
Does it have no markings at all underneath.... and if not does it look very highly polished.
Regards
Gareth
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Liz
I got up too early... :oops: :roll:
The Walther ones unlike this do not have the foot either.... so even if its not Moser ( but it should be ).. then someone else made them to the same exacting standards as Moser.... but I've not seen any other reference other than these 2 makers.
Regards
Gareth
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On a point of interest (I am not suggesting the vase in question is from either of these makers) the classical frieze style of vase was copied in pressed glass by Rindskopf in Czechoslovakia and Riihimaki in Finland. Both of them made iridised versions of these items, with a decorative frieze that features classical figures.
Rindskopf's were unusual in that they actually used a verdigris sort of stain that gave an oxidised metallic affect to the pattern frieze. Riihimaki simply used a frieze featuring moulded classical figures (female) - in a total "rip-off" of the Moser version. They're fabulous items - the Riihimaki examples are rare as hen's teeth; the Rindskopf ones are more available but still hard to find.
Glen
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Glen,
I'm familiar with Moser's "Amazon warrior" and "Satyr and Women" frieze but these bands of decoration are not as wide and have a "oxidized" appearance..The characters on this band are Greek or Roman warriors on horseback and chariots....
Liz...
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Earlier ?
Koloman Moser ? WW ?
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Liz - yes - understood - I was just adding the information as a side point of interest to anyone who might be reading this topic thread.
Glen
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This Moser has Greek Warrior(s)
http://glasshound.com/moser/41a.jpg
but the metal is oxidized as described.
It's signed and listed here
http://glasshound.com/moser_glass_reference4.html
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Newer Moser production doesn't have the oxidised appearance and looks more all-over gold. We saw rather a lot of them in the flea markets in Vienna. I've seen examples with a broad facet cut body and a golden frieze.