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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: tropdevin on February 21, 2011, 09:19:59 PM

Title: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: tropdevin on February 21, 2011, 09:19:59 PM: ***

This paperweight (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574631383&toolid=10001&campid=5336261829&customid=&icep_item=200578882831&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229508&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg) looks very like a Murano to me....any views?

Alan
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: Leni on February 21, 2011, 09:36:25 PM: Definitely! Just like one of my Murano collection!
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: Lily of the Valley on February 21, 2011, 09:44:30 PM: From what I can see in the photos, your Murano is much prettier.

Lily :)
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: Leni on February 21, 2011, 09:51:51 PM: Thank you, Lily :kissy: I think so too, but the style and construction appear to me to be identical :)
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: Lily of the Valley on February 21, 2011, 11:01:21 PM: You're very welcome, Leni! While the style and construction may be the same, to my eye, the colors in yours are more attractive.

Lily :)
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: ahremck on February 22, 2011, 09:06:53 AM: Are the scored lines across the base a "Baccarat" feature or a "Murano" feature. I notice your Murano weight does not have them. I will have a look in some books and see what I can turn up.

I like both weights extremely :o :mrgreen: - no matter who made them.

Ross
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: tropdevin on February 22, 2011, 10:39:32 AM: ***

I have told the seller it is Murano (and so has a friend of mine). He got a very patronising reply, I got a polite but dismissive reply as below:

Description: Beautiful double overlay Art glass paperweight features blue cut to white to clear design with multicolored millefiori center. The base has a paper label BIRKS # 2306, otherwise unsigned but attributed to Baccarat - less than a quarter of the Antique paperweights made by Baccarat contain date or signature canes......Dimensions : 2-1/2" x 2-1/2" x by 2-3/8" high. It is in excellent condition, no damage, chips or repairs. This is what I found on a different site. It is a Baccarat Millefiori but thank you very much for the information.
Thank You

I don't understand the relevance of providing a description of a different paperweight on a different site.

There's none so blind as them that cannot see...

Alan
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: Wuff on February 22, 2011, 10:06:29 PM: Quote from: tropdevin on February 22, 2011, 10:39:32 AM
I don't understand the relevance of providing a description of a different paperweight on a different site.

Correct - the description doesn't mean anything.
I had also informed the seller that this was a Murano - and got a somewhat similar response (like "this is Baccarat ... see another offer ..."). When I asked for the URL I got the following address:
http://www.goantiques.com/detail,vintage-baccarat-overlay,1812779.html
which obviously is the site from which the description (quoted by Alan) came.

OK - what is this one? I would say - another Murano: all you need to start with, is an incorrect attribution - which then can be recycled endlessly for other incorrect attributions :cry:.

A more general question: according to the above auction, it is a Baccarat made in the 1930-40's ... did Baccarat make paperweights during this time frame, I mean Baccarat, not Baccarat-Dupont.
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: johnphilip on February 22, 2011, 11:02:57 PM: Hi Alan thats a coincidence ,it looks like it has come from the same stable as my one on ebay that i asked for your opinion a couple of days ago , we both agreed that was Murano .
Title: Re: Baccarat - surely not
Post by: KevinH on February 22, 2011, 11:13:37 PM: All of the weights referred to above are Murano. With or without cross-cut bases. With or without a "mushroom stem" beneath the millefiori. With four or five side facets. The canes are Murano. The weights are Murano.