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Title: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Taylor Thomas on March 13, 2008, 08:25:53 PM

Hello all,

I was looking for some information on this piece which I picked up in Dresden....

14 cm tall.

Thanks Taylor
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Ivo on March 13, 2008, 09:41:11 PM
looking good, well made, nice colours - but the photograph, aï aï aï - could you try and do  better shot? And when you do, let's have a look at the underside too, please...
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2008, 11:38:08 PM
Hi Taylor,
Im 99% certain its Skrdlovice, Czechoslovakia, I have one very similar, i will pop a photo on tomorrow,
mines a whopper at 28cm tall and about 3 1/2 kilos.
It has a Goldy yellow Skrdlovice sticker on it, which (I think, maybe Ivo or Marcus will know) dates it
circa 1950s 60s

Cheers
Andy ;D

Added. Just found a photo, far left is like yours, mines a bit 'lumpier' and bigger, with Skrdlovice
label 8)  Comparing the 2 , im a teeny bit less positive than i was :-\
check out this thread
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,12766.0.html
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on March 14, 2008, 06:42:26 AM
Nice pieces, Andy. I have a few similar vases, some with the yellow Skrdlovice label, but others sold to me as Finnish (likely Swedish) and Chalet (one by someone who is reliable). I have been trying to figure out how to tell them apart when there is no label. Any suggestions? Are certain colours or colour combinations typical? Is there any published or internet source describing pieces like these? The closest reference I can find  is the propeller vase by Jan Kotik in Czech glass, which was made at Skrdlovice. (Interestingly, modernistglass.com has a vase that looks like a propeller vase but which they are convinced was made in Canada.)

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on March 14, 2008, 03:54:44 PM
Hi David,
modernistglass.com  :D Nice site, lots of lovely glass from all over the world, well worth everyone having
a look at!
This link to the Canadian/Kotik vase,
http://www.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/2264

I would have thought more likely Bohemian rather than Canadian. I havent seen Chalet that makes me
think the others in my photo are from them, Aseda sweden has been suggested, again i havent yet found
a similar on, although in the book Czech Glass 1945-1980 on page 218 , a picture of a propeller vase,it mentions
comparable pieces produced at Aseda Sweden, after 1945, im yet to find one :(
And Skrdlovice? maybe, some of mine i bought from a collector in Austria (Argonf , anyone know him?) who
was selling them as Skrdlovice , but no labels. He does seem to sell some nice items and know his stuff.
I walked through hundreds of tables at Gaydon Glass fair, didnt see any similar :(

Its a mystery, that i would like to solve one day!
 Regards Andy 8)
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Sklounion on March 14, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Hi,
Now, if I were shown the item from the Modernist Glass web-site, I would find it very difficult to attribute that as anything other than a Kotik item from Skrdlovice, despite it having turned up in Canada.
YET, herein lies a problem. It is quite clear that Skrdlovice did NOT make all the items like this, in the volumes suggested, and simply because an item "looks like a duck, squawks like a duck therefore it must be a duck", that cannot be a realistic assessment. Production of very popular items was known to have been moved to other factories within Czechoslovakia, capable of high-volume hand-worked production, and this is consistent with the role of Skrdlovice as a development centre within ÚLUV.

Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: krsilber on March 14, 2008, 08:46:34 PM
What's ÚLUV?
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on March 15, 2008, 12:18:31 AM
I lean towards the great majority of glass this style being Czech. First, although not all it is described as Czech, there is a fair amount of Czech glass in Canada. At least two of our big department stores carried Czech, such as Harrtil. Second, according to the people who worked at Chalet, virtually all their glass carried the Chalet mark. I've never seen a piece like this marked Chalet. Third, my admittedly limited knowledge of Canadian glass companies doesn't suggest that anyone made glass like this. I went to th Michel Blais website, which used to show a lot of Chalet, but it seems to have abandoned Chalet. The website didn't have a vase like this, but it did have what I think was a monumental triangular cigar ashtray that had the same feel as these vases. Many of these also turn up in Canada.

That said, one piece I have doesn't look Czech, and Aseda would seem a possibility. The colour is somewhat like Andy's red one and te pulls on it aseem tool made rather than achieved with compressed air.  I just got my decent camera back from the repair shop today, so I'll take some pictures of it on the weekend to see what you think. I should add some of the other pieces that seem different. For example, where the glass has been shaped so that parallel diagonal ridges run across the vase.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Sklounion on March 15, 2008, 05:56:58 AM
ÚLUV =Ústřední lidové umělecké výroby. Centre for Folk Art and  Artistic Work.
My apologies for using the acronym without explanation.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2008, 11:42:10 AM
and simply because an item "looks like a duck, squawks like a duck therefore it must be a duck", that cannot


Marcus, we will all know your acronyms when your book is out !
And ducks Quack, not squawk! (unless you grab one by the neck  ;D) so does that mean it may not be a duck?

David, I was going to ask for a photo of your pieces, look forward to it, I got another larger one recently,
i will add a new photo of mine later.

Andy 8)
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Taylor Thomas on March 15, 2008, 04:22:14 PM

Thanks everyone.. :D.....

I will try and get a better photo taken though as suggested....

Cheers
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Taylor Thomas on March 16, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
Hope these photo's are better.......
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Taylor Thomas on March 16, 2008, 05:40:24 PM
And



Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on March 16, 2008, 11:48:15 PM
Hi Taylor,
I apologise, i was watching this item tonight, and considering bidding, pretty sure it was a Skrdlovice
vase, its the twin to yours ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160215917173&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006

so i didnt want to put it on here, i decided against it, its so much smaller than mine, and i know size
isnt everything, but ....
I have had a look at the other items bought by the successful bidder, and they are mostly Bohemian glass,
Skrdlovice and similar, i even see he has bought several items from the seller in Austria, i mentioned earlier in
this post, which at least makes me think i am probably right with my suggestion that your vase is
Skrdlovice, 1950s ;D

Marcus, Ivo, just curious, (please , i dont want to disclose bidders or give away identities or anything!)
do you know the winner, Carlyung, or the chap who has sold me some nice stuff, Argonf?

Regards to all,
Andy 8)
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Sklounion on March 17, 2008, 06:07:27 AM
Hi, Andy,
I am aware of both buyer and seller.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on March 17, 2008, 10:13:06 AM
Thanks Marcus

Andy :-X
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Taylor Thomas on March 17, 2008, 07:14:32 PM

Thanks Andy........ When I originally looked at the glass It looked like my piece but less "lumpy" colour spot on though...

Thank you everyone for such a great response....

Cheer's ;)
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on March 18, 2008, 06:07:22 AM
Hi: Here are pictures of five of my similar pieces. Sorry about picture quality. My good camera worked for one day after I got it back from repairs and the flash on the Canon Powershot darkens everything. I put the five together for the first shot. The one with the label is second from the left.  I'll do two separate posts to avoid maxing out in photos. I'll retake the group photo tomorrow, hopefully in the sunshine. The heights left to right are: 5 1/2", 8", 8 1/4", 8", and 5 1/4".

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on March 18, 2008, 06:09:21 AM
The last two of the Czech group and the label. I should add that all the bottoms are flat and polished.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Sklounion on April 17, 2008, 05:39:47 PM
Hi,
Quote
it (Ricke) mentions comparable pieces produced at Aseda Sweden, after 1945
Ricke was right to suggest that Aseda made similar items. I have now discovered that Börne Augustsson designed what are known in Scandinavia as the “Börnevas", which look extremely similar.
These I have seen in colourless glass. 

Your pink version looks more like Chribska though.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Andy on June 03, 2008, 10:16:11 PM
Those on this thread, may be interested in this finished ebay sale of a vase and a copy from a 1973
copy of a magazine!
David, (langhaugh) looks a lot like some of yours and mine, and i think the documentation helped the seller
get a good price!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/E-Beranek-Vase-Skrdlovice-um-1950-dokumentiert-1_W0QQitemZ180246991107QQihZ008QQcategoryZ7481QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Andy 8)
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on June 24, 2009, 06:35:25 AM
Just noticed a vase very similar to my pink/cranberry vase pictured early, except it's bigger. More importantly, it has a Magnor label on it,  I'm still looking for one with an Aseda label. The reference number on ebay is 220439064003 and here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220439064003&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D220439064003%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1.

Interestingly, since the post from Marcus I bought what I'm convinced is a Kotik Atlas vase (I looked at the one in the Hi Sklo Lo Sklo exhibition very closely). The seller described it as a Börne Augustsson for Aseda vase. The colour is the same as the Kotik, i.e. not clear. The seller couldn't remember the reference for the claim, but was totally convinced.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: bOBA on June 24, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
David, it would be nice to see your suspected Kotik vase. I like these vases very much myself, the Beranek type shape of lobed heavy vases in yours and Anddys collection. Your Magnor ebay picture has worried me a lot concerning care when buying heavy "Beranek" lobed type vases, since the attribution can seem very tricky. A Scandinavian collector on GMB would hopefully recognise it. I know in the 1970's Scandinavian design often mixed metal and wood and so the base may be in keeping with contemporary styles though at a glance it does look odd and a bit like Chinese inspired marriage after the event! Having a closer look at the base it does look a great fit, maybe used by someone just to stop scratching a glass table?


The first small vase you put up (mainly amber) resembles a tiny vase i bought recently, similarly small compared to the others, that was attributed to beranek probably 1950's and I had no problem with believing that myself. As posted elsewhere on GMB attributions of pre circa 1960 Beranek- Skrdlovice is hampered by lack of availability of documentation for the researchers as Jindrich has often lamented, though often fairrly certain of attribution, the lack of documents for early pieces have made identifications "probable" not certain, which is tricky for all of us!

I attach the pic of tiny "Beranek" type vase familar to some GMB members already. It is only 12 cms high but it is sweet. So far in my collecting I have noticed that the Atlas type vases can often have thin lips as well as rounded lobes encouraging some identification (probably). Though I like to use colourway as a (probable) guide since there seem to be coulour combinations that always strike me as "likely" Czech, coupled with other physical factors.

The green -yellow vase of yours worries me concerning shape but more experienced members may have a more knowledgable view than I, the blue looks good for Skrdlovice and the labelled one obviously should be too, as should the diddy (small) amber one you first put up. Mine is even smaller I think 12 cms high. It is one step up from an egg cup but I like it any way, which is all glass collecting boils down to ultimately!







nice to see some pics of more Beranek type vases. Andy's collection is extremely nice too, of course,

yours,

bOBA


 
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Jindra8526 on June 24, 2009, 02:14:26 PM
Hi friends,
Taylor's vase is Škrdlovice before 1960 - pattern number for the moment I do not know for the moment.
Kotik vase is well documented one - pattern 5503 from 1955 (Glasrevue 1964/8 and Glasrevue 1965/11).
Andy's pieces are also Škrdlovice 5988 from 1959 (Glasrevue 1965/11) designed by Jan Beránek (fabricated in size and colour modifications in Škrdlovice for next 49 years), the vase very right on picture is not known to me. It is Czechoslovakian, but I have not more details for the meantime. This pieces, including Kotik's one are not very rare, I am sorry.

I still have gaps in Skrdlovice production before 1960 but I am sure I will be able to fit it soon.
I have already mentioned here - on Friday 26/06/09 begin biggest Škrdlovice glass exhibition in Pardubice www.vcm.cz - "Magie skla - Sklárna Beránek ve Škrdlovicích 1941 – 2008".  I am sure that I will get there more information that I will directly pass to you.
I am very busy in my regular job now, so be patient please.

Jindrich

 
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on June 24, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
bOBA and Jindrich:

Thanks for your comments; useful as always. As requested by bOBA, I'm adding some pictures of what I hope is a Kotik vase. I appreciate Jindrich's comment that these are quite common, but I still like them for what they are, not the rarity. The second picture captures the violet that's absent from the first, and ignore the label on the third; I put it there. It's approximately 8 1/2 inches or 21.5 cm tall.

The green and yellow one continues to baffle me. The colours don't look quite right for Czech, and yet the surface design seems to be the result of it being blown into some kind of wire cage, something like the Hlava pieces for Bor.

I'm beginning to be convinced that the cranberry one is, indeed, from Norway. The person I bought from assured me that her mother had bought in Norway in 1973 (the mother was Norwegian), even when I told her I was buying because I thought it was Czech. The Magnor label on the eBay one supports that story.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: bOBA on June 24, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
Thx for posting the Kotik vase David looks like a good example to me. I only have one of these in lime green-amber combination. Kotik "atlas" vases, are the name as described in Hi Lo Sklo by Mark Hill (and Graham Cooley), but I do not know if this is the trade name, but as a a name I find it is useful to differentiate them from the earlier smaller "Propeller" vases, that they are sometimes referred to as.  Always nice to see more hot worked Czech glass on GMB. Apparently there are over 14 colour combinations for these atlas vases. Numerous single colours, amazing combined colours and I even saw one online a while ago that looked pure black!. I posted mine a while ago on GMB somewhaere if interested. Mine is 2.3 kg but apparently the weight can be give or take a few hundred grams as there was some variation. There are also deliberately bigger 4kg plus versions, as with the Bereanek lobed type vases (I wish they had a name we could use). I do not know if the Kotik vases go even bigger. They always look great I think. The general Czech-Beranek shaped vases, with the Scandinavian similar vases, certainly take some looking at to try to differentiate them, the similarities have surprised me. The ebay Magnor example without a label would have confused me to be honest. But nice vases none the less. As with part of Andy's collection these big vases can look very good as a group. I will have to find some more....

bOBA

 
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Jindra8526 on June 25, 2009, 05:20:55 AM
Hi David,
I would say that your piece is Kotik. Naturaly ,it is not difficult to make a copy of this one - fabrication is not difficult. In Skrdlovice factory this type of vase had nickname "melouchovina" what (I have ti trust to dictionary) means "moonlighting job".

Jindrich

(p.s. "magor" means in Czech "loony"  ;D)

Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: langhaugh on June 26, 2009, 04:58:19 AM
Jindrich and bOBA:

Thanks for the confirmation. Now to find some of the other colour combinations, and some Pizzacato and Harmony pieces, which, so far, didn't seem to make it to Canada.

David
Title: Re: Heavy glass vase
Post by: Jindra8526 on June 28, 2009, 01:52:20 PM
Three vases with approved attribution
Jindrich