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Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 11:25:14 AM
You'll regularly see these tall, heavy-bottomed smoked glasses on eBay - sometimes with labels, which is great, and then sometimes without, which is fine too, because the design is so distinctive, you take it for granted that they're Holmegaard.

But...  ARGH  (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7380588424&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1)
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Frank on January 08, 2006, 02:46:47 PM
Granted :lol:

Obviously, Holmegaard. No doubt the buyer will remove the labels and list them properly.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Vecila on January 08, 2006, 04:31:50 PM
That seller is using "key word spamming", a practice that is a violation of eBay's rules--you know, that agreement everyone indicated they read when they joined eBay.  Sheesh!
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: paradisetrader on January 08, 2006, 05:19:35 PM
Velicia
There is no better keyword than Holmegaard (spelled correctly !) for this type of glass. If the seller had visited here they would have a proper attribution and multiple *names* would be unnecessary.

As to keyword spamming in general see the topic in the Cafe on this.

The "Handmade for Gematex" label may be explainable ie the Swedish importer of Holmegaard.

Nic, are you suggesting that the smaller glasses are also Homegaard ? in which case the Maleras labels would have been stickered !!!!  :roll:
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Sklounion on January 08, 2006, 05:48:49 PM
Have I missed a subtle nuance here, or just being plain thick? (If you agree I'm thick, be gentle about it :lol: )
These can't really be a set, the colour of the large and small glasses differ.
If they carry original tags, then it is unlikely they are Holmegaard in disguise.
I would not be surprised at such an instance of what I now call "parallel designs", given the close geographical proximity of the two countries in question.  

regards,

Marcus
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 05:51:19 PM
I'm not sure if either of them are Holmegaard, to be honest.

Both of the sets seem to have different colouring, but the smallest ones seem closer to a Holmegaard smoke colour. The tall ones look to have a hint of blue/purple in all of the pictures.

But it seems a little strange that someone would sticker a well-known manufacturer's glassware with the labels of a lesser-known company, so it's very possible that they're 'in the style of', bordering on plaguerism.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 05:52:24 PM
Ah, you beat me to it, Marcus.  :lol:

The main reason I posted the link was for people to be a little cautious when buying this style of glass, for it seems all that is smokey is not Holmegaard.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Sklounion on January 08, 2006, 06:07:04 PM
Nic,
As you say these may well be exactly what the ticket says, Maleras, and a "generic" but Swedish, production for Genatex.

Issues such as the glass colour help, but I would also expect there to be minor but sufficient differences, the rate of the curvature, a slightly wider rim, or larger or smaller height as well, to avoid litigation.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 06:12:31 PM
You're right... Plaguerism is too strong a word... as is plagiarism  :lol:  (It's a Sunday, I'm allowed to be dozy!).

But the similarity of these two sets to Holmegaard's 'Copenhagen' range is still distinctly uncanny.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: paradisetrader on January 08, 2006, 06:14:52 PM
ooops I mis-read your original posting Nic. I thought you were saying that you KNOW that they are Holmegaard.

So Phew ...having cleared that up ...no I don't think they are all part of a matching set either and as you rightly point out the Maleras are unlikely to be stickered.....so that's 3 misunderstsndings cleared.

However I do think that Gemtex is more likely to be a wholesaler, retailer and/or importer and a maker unless anyone can disabuse me of that notion. If so, then that label tells us very little and does not necessarily preclude Holmegaard .....right ?  

Googled: Gemtex Sweden  - no results
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 06:21:14 PM
I think you're right, and Gemtex is/was a distributer/importer. But the colour, according to the photographs anyway, probably discounts Holmegaard as their smoked glass has always had a heavy green tint to it, rather than purple.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 06:25:39 PM
I found a Gemtex Overseas, based in India, who manufacture/export handmade glassware and crystal...

Possibly the same folk, relocated?  :lol:
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Sklounion on January 08, 2006, 06:39:40 PM
Gematex are possibly defunct, but there exist 4 candidates, of which 1 is swiss, and the other three east european. (Kompass)
regards,
Marcus
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Anne on January 08, 2006, 06:45:21 PM
The listing actually says Genatex not Gemtex.  Googling for Genatex gives results for reinforced PVC - used especially for covering slurry tanks & sileage - not the same thing at all! :roll:

The label, however says Gematex... adding even more confusion!!!  :?

I think  that as the label says Handmade for Gematex in Sweden we are looking at glasses made by one of the Swedish glasshouses for an exporter/wholesaler/distributor called Gematex; or for someone who used Gematex as their trade name or collection identity.
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Pinkspoons on January 08, 2006, 06:54:47 PM
:oops:

Gematex... yes...

I've already used my it's a Sunday stupidity get-out clause, haven't I?  :D
Title: Because Holmegaard isn't confusing enough.
Post by: Anne on January 08, 2006, 06:59:15 PM
Nic, don't worry. I edited my last post three times to get the wretched spellings right.  :oops:  Think I should get my spill chucker back!  :roll: