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Title: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 14, 2006, 10:44:59 PM
IMPORTANT CHANGES TO SITE:

Due to the rapid growth of the Chance glass side within glassyeye.com, I decided to create a whole new web site purely to contain the research into this subject. The URL is now...

http://www.chanceglass.net (http://www.chanceglass.net)

I think you'll find the site MUCH easier to navigate and the pages have been slimmed out more. It has also meant that the menu can now be far more specific, so each major topic has been split further (all Pressed glass styles into its own page, for example).

Thankfully (huge sighs of relief all round!) all patterns are now identified:

1934: Spiderweb
1948: Lotus
1949: Waverely
1949: Britannia
1951: Gossamer
1951: Lancer
1952: Cato
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 14, 2006, 11:28:06 PM
Britannia plate and bowl in these threads:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2876.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2883.0.html
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 16, 2006, 11:03:05 AM
For the missing two pattern examples I now have a description:

LANCER: The Pattern is based on horizontal and vertical ridges forming oblongs with rounded corners.

GOSSAMER: "... a design of fine tracery". Broadfield House have an exhibit so this is less of a problem.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Bernard C on February 16, 2006, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: DenCill
... oblings ...
Beautiful new word David, presumably diminutive oblongs.    Nice try, nearly up to the standard of the Bensonic "knobberly".

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Bernard C on February 16, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
David — Phew, lucky Lancer was made in Smethwick and not Sunderland, otherwise you would have had Jobling's oblings.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Leni on February 16, 2006, 01:03:03 PM
I like 'oblings'!    :shock:  Sounds like the sort of word my dyslexic son used to 'invent'  :roll:

It's a good, useful word  :D  Thank you, David!  I shall certainly use it in future to describe small oblongs  :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 16, 2006, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
For the missing two pattern examples I now have a description:
LANCER: The Pattern is based on horizontal and vertical ridges forming oblings with rounded corners.


David, that sounds like the jug on eBay recently?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 16, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Anne
David, that sounds like the jug on eBay recently?
I don't think so: this has panels that are ribbed vertically and horizontally, but NO OBLONGS

I ended up buying that jug and it has a star-cut, ground flat base, which doesn't seem to conform to Chance's bases. Good thought, and well remembered though :shock:

Think you mean this one, Anne?

click to zoom
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/RESEARCH/clear-starbase01-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/RESEARCH/clear-starbase01.jpg) : (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/RESEARCH/clear-starbase03-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/RESEARCH/clear-starbase03.jpg)
Totally obling-less...
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 20, 2006, 01:56:45 AM
That's the one David. It's a super jug. So not a Chance design then... wonder who made it?

Just to add these to the pressed glass collection (David has copies of them already) yesterday I found two pieces in the Britannia pattern (click for larger image):

Small bowl 87mm diameter:
(http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/albums/new_images/chance%20etc/thumb_chance_britannia_pindish.jpg) (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-763)

Oblong tray 155mm x 256mm:
 (http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/albums/new_images/chance%20etc/thumb_chance_britannia_tray.jpg)  (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-764)


David, check out this thread... does this look like Lancer?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4310.msg34387.html#msg34387
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 21, 2006, 08:58:26 AM
Either Lancer or Gossamer, but not sure which at present (ah, to be an expert... :lol: )

I guess I'd expect something a little 'lacier' if it was Gossamer so Lancer is the best bet at present. Here's the picture again:

http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/pressed/lancer-bowl-clear11.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 21, 2006, 09:44:40 AM
Sorry, of course it's Lancer: it has the 'oblongs'
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 21, 2006, 01:59:07 PM
Confirmed as Lancer (ref book: British Table and Ornamental Glass by L.M Angus-Butterworth, published 1956, London).  8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 22, 2006, 09:19:01 AM
Anne's book does appear to have several examples of Chance glass and also covers other British manufacturers:

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"British Table and Ornamental Glass" by L. M. Angus-Butterworth,
Published Leonard Hill (Books) Ltd., 9 Eden Street, N.W.1, 1956

Additionally there appears to be a seventh pattern called 'Cato'. This also appears to have a star-cut base like Lancer and has coloured(?) rings with a gilt rim — I'm sure I've seen examples before!

See: http://www.ssb3.net/members/watch/userimages/10126/jhgn_016.jpg

The other two photos are (top): Lotus tots with Galleon image and (centre) an example of Wild Rice.

Strange, I always thought Cato was Peter Seller's sidekick in the Pink Panther movies... :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 22, 2006, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
Anne's book does appear to have several examples of Chance glass and also covers other British manufacturers:


It was a lucky find and well worth picking up if anyone happens across a copy. Loads of info and photos, as David says, not just on Chance but on many of the British glassmakers too.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 24, 2006, 05:32:09 PM
I've now reorganised the Pressed Glass page so that they are organised by pattern, rather than type. Also placed patterns by date: from Spiderweb in 1934 till Lancer in 1953.

Another pattern to list shortly will be a scan from the book of the Cato pattern. If anyone can help with a date or this pattern I would be grateful. I suspect it might have been quite a late introduction.

Anne, I've now (finally!) included your Britannia pin dish and tray photos and this really starts to show the sheer variety of patterns that were available :shock: Oddly, I still haven't got photos of the 'Deluxe' range (coloured glass), but feel sure these will appear in time.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 24, 2006, 06:52:24 PM
David, it's looking really good. We've a good idea of the range of each pattern from that. I saw two very small Waverley bowls in Lancaster a while back, no more than 4" diameter, plain edge, about an inch deep. One pink glass and one milk white - the pink one had a hole through the centre for a stand or handle. Both marked Chance across the centre also.

I've not found anything about the Deluxe range yet - what do we know about that?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 24, 2006, 07:02:21 PM
The actual range of Britannia is quite vast, as were Waverley and Spiderweb. I saw a picture in 'Mirror for Chance' and wished I'd photocopied it now, however I am hoping to get a scan which will be much better quality.

The Deluxe range were essentially just coloured versions. I think these have a band of colour around the middle so the pattern looks different to make room for this, but is still identifiable.

---

I've now found my notes on the Britannia 'De Luxe' range (not sure of spelling but that's what was written down):

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De Luxe range from 1950 used colour (Moss Green, Blue, Amethyst and Ivory inserts
As to what the "inserts" are, I imagine this could either mean the 'cut' decoration or a separate panel of colour like the Waverley example: something at the back of my mind says the latter because I'm sure I've seen an example at some time. If it does have a separate panel it should look very impressive, I reckon.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 25, 2006, 01:51:20 PM
Britannia de luxe with ivory inserts sounds like that curious bowl in the stand you found on eBay the other day David?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 25, 2006, 02:02:04 PM
I did wonder about that myself, but this has frosted 'inserts', rather than enamelled, and I think this is the criteria. Doesn't your large plate have frosted 'inserts' though?

I still think these are coloured panels.

Definition: 'Inserts' in this case meaning the 'cut' areas of the glass.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 25, 2006, 02:26:26 PM
No, my large plate is frosted all over.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 25, 2006, 02:32:19 PM
Today's other Chance  :roll: sighting was a 6.5 in Spderweb, fully frosted and affixed into an aluminium base, glued with that whte stuff not screwed.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 25, 2006, 02:46:54 PM
:D :D :?

Could the De Luxe range then, be the Waverly ones I've seen that have the coloured surfaces on them, (I'm not sure if it's not a kind of paint - it does wear off) and the Spiderweb ones that come with the bands of bobbly coloured/white glass bits on them?
(It does look a bit like frosting, but of the granulated sugar in egg-white type, and I'm reluctant to use the word as far as this is concerned because I think "frosted glass" means something else.)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 25, 2006, 03:24:21 PM
Anne, thanks for confirming: I can't seem to find that photo but do you have the URL as I'd like to include it. Looking at the bowl very closely, I can confirm it IS coated, not frosted! :roll:

Christine, that Spiderweb sounded rather interesting. I wonder if this was pre-war due to the way the base was fixed?

Sue, see above: I'm sure the example I have is the 'ivory inserts' variety and will post a photo shortly.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 25, 2006, 04:24:58 PM
I've now posted the photos of the Ivory Britannia on the site, but here they are for convenience:

(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pressed/britannia-ivory1.jpg)  (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pressed/britannia-ivory2.jpg)

The surround is chrome-plated with filigree decoration and either resin or bakelite handles. The glass measures 8" x 6½" (20 x 16.5), 2¼" (6) high.

I think you can see why I thought it was frosted at first... :wink:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on February 25, 2006, 06:29:02 PM
David - check this white bowl with metal rim out.  This is very similar to the bowl that I had in the past  (lost pictures) - now thought to be Britannia pattern.   This one too might be Chance, although I think the pattern is very slightly different from the Britannia ones you have.  What do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7391727669
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Lol!  Just spotted your picture - it is the same pattern :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on February 25, 2006, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
I think you can see why I thought it was frosted at first... :wink:


Yes, I thought it was frosted on eBay as well, David. It was only when you said about the de luxe range that the penny dropped. :)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on February 26, 2006, 12:24:38 AM
Anne (B): Yes, definitely Britannia, but curious it has a green tinge. It's also very interesting how they adapt the pattern to suit the shape and it does create a lot of variations. I missed the auction anyway, but am wondering where I can put all the piggin' stuff :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 10, 2006, 01:06:33 PM
New Britannia finds from Anne B: :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance012.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance015.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance017.jpg

A milk jug with matching sugar bowl from the De Luxe range, dating from 1950 and featuring ivory inserts.

Thanks, Anne!
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 11, 2006, 12:22:31 AM
Ooooohhhh nice find Anne!  8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 11, 2006, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: "Anne"
Ooooohhhh nice find Anne!  8)

 :lol: Thanks.  Goodness knows what I'm going to do with all of it????  

David - here's one to add to your list "Plates: Fluted Edge" - i.e. Summer Melody 4.75" diameter.  (got no fractions on keyboard :roll: so if anyone knows how I can do them please let me know :P )  
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/chance022.jpg

Did you notice the unremarkable Spiderweb bowl that went for £21 on eBay recently?  Are prices going up?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on March 11, 2006, 01:17:23 PM
:D Anne...I just looked up completed listings on Ebay.  Are you sure it wasn't a Lancer pattern that went for £21?  I've got one sitting on my desk here still replete with it's 50p charity shop sticker!   :shock:

Did a Spiderweb go for the same price recently?

Is it worth buying Waverley big bowls?  I've already got two  :shock: and just passed up another one for £1 this morning...  :?

PS:  Who is 'Coffee-a-go-go' then?  :?:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 11, 2006, 01:26:27 PM
I think I was getting my Lancers muddled with my Spiderwebs! :oops:

Personally I find the clear glass Waverley bowls intriguing. High quality pressed glass and an excellent optical pattern. Is this other one (for £1) clear or coloured, Max?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on March 11, 2006, 01:34:16 PM
It's clear David and it's a big one.  Not sure they did other sizes, I've only seen the large size.

I'm happy to buy it and send it up to you, if you like.  It's a very attractive design actually, and looks really contemporary in the right setting, as you know.  :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 11, 2006, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: "Max"
:D Anne...I just looked up completed listings on Ebay.  Are you sure it wasn't a Lancer pattern that went for £21?  I've got one sitting on my desk here still replete with it's 50p charity shop sticker!   :shock:


You are absolutely right Max :P , it was Lancer not Spiderweb :oops: .  My head's aswim (? - have I just made that word up?) with Chance glass :roll:   It had 'Chance' impressed on the base.  I haven't come across one of these yet.  

I personally think some of the Spiderweb bowls look very contemporary and are very under-rated.
IMHO they don't look out of place with Scandinavian glass :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 11, 2006, 02:32:22 PM
That same dish of Sarah's is actually featured on my web site! :)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 11, 2006, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Max"
It's clear David and it's a big one.  Not sure they did other sizes, I've only seen the large size.


They do Max, I saw two small ones (about 3 or 4 inches across) in Lancaster before we started on the Chance malarkey!
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 12, 2006, 11:54:19 AM
This mornings buys:

1.  Large Waverley bowl with original metal handle (removable).  "Chance" impressed on inside base.  Measurements:  10.5" (26.5cm) diam.  x 3" (7.5cm) high.  Frosted exterior with a smooth polished interior.  Has a curious green tinge which can just be seen on picture - more noticeable at fluted edge.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc106.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc108.jpg

2.  Green 4" handkerchief bowl - perfect condition - some reflections on pic.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc101.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 12, 2006, 04:12:27 PM
Hi Anne,

Very nice bowl with a shaped rim that's described rather aptly as 'Ballerina'. I've also seen (got?) that style of clip-on handle but on a non-Chance item. The greenish tinge is probably due to a certain amount of iron in the glass mix, but no doubt one of the technologists will correct me. However, it is something I've noticed before – if you see the photo of the large Spiderweb bowl on my site, you'll spot it there as well.

This style of Handkerchief vases is quite common, but there are four different colours, four different textures and four different styles in Aqualux: a total of 64 possibilities! Mind you, the 5" height one is quite scarce and was only available in a very few combinations; at present I have only logged one in the cross-reference chart.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 18, 2006, 11:20:06 AM
Following are some photos from Anne of a small pink Nut Bowl that might be the Gossamer pattern.

:shock:  click to zoom :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Chance/gossamer2-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Chance/gossamer2.jpg)

And another showing...
TOP VIEW (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Chance/gossamer1.jpg)

Gossamer is described as "a design of fine tracery" and "originally clear glass, then in pastel shades of cream, pink & green" so this all seems relevant.

EDIT: NOT Gossamer... :(
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on March 18, 2006, 02:20:59 PM
Oooh nice one Anne!  It does seem to fit the description.  Well done young lady!   :D  :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 26, 2006, 03:32:41 PM
Unfortunately, this bowl is not the Gossamer pattern :(

The latest information I have (just this afternoon) is a fine diagonal pattern, with a tiny bobble where each line intersects. Apparently it is unlike previous Chance patterns like Brittania and is much more delicate.

Does this rings any bells with anyone? :?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 27, 2006, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: "DenCill"
Unfortunately, this bowl is not the Gossamer pattern :(

The latest information I have (just this afternoon) is a fine diagonal pattern, with a tiny bobble where each line intersects. Apparently it is unlike previous Chance patterns like Brittania and is much more delicate.

Does this rings any bells with anyone? :?


Ooooohhh interesting that David, I was hoping that mine was the missing one, but never mind. It's still a nice bowl and I'd still like to know who did make it.

Meanwhile, to answer your other question, no it doesn't ring any bells at all... but at least we have a description that should help us track one down! :)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 27, 2006, 08:34:28 AM
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Meanwhile, to answer your other question, no it doesn't ring any bells at all...

Yes, a little disappointing Anne, but I'm sure I've come across this pattern before — I just can't think where! :x
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 28, 2006, 10:44:05 AM
David, from your description, I believe this is Gossamer...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a114.jpg

The lines are actually raised as are the 'dots' where the lines intersect.   This bowl is 2½" high x 6" diam. and has 'Chance' in raised lettering on the inside.  Looks to be part of a fruit bowl set.  If you want a close-up of the outside patt. I'll do one. :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 28, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
Quote
David, from your description, I believe this is Gossamer...

Hurrah! Thanks Anne  :P

Yes, this looks just like I imagined and the embossed 'Chance' logo really clinches it!

Thanks, a close-up photo would be good: if it's side-on like those on the site, this would fit in with the other examples.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 28, 2006, 03:23:52 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a140.jpg
closeup showing detail.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a132.jpg
Showing interior/exterior detail

 :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 28, 2006, 03:43:28 PM
Hi Anne,

Many thanks - now uploaded :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 28, 2006, 05:02:07 PM
Yay!  Well found Anne. Isn't that super?! :D

Was it one you had lurking in a cupboard somewhere or did you just happen to spot it after David posted the description?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 28, 2006, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: "Anne"
Yay!  Well found Anne. Isn't that super?! :D

Was it one you had lurking in a cupboard somewhere or did you just happen to spot it after David posted the description?

Yes, I was wondered that as well! This pattern is quite uncommon, so one to look out for.

Just Cato to identify now, although there is a monochrome photo showing this pattern in 'British Table and Ornamental Glass' as detailed elsewhere in this thread.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 28, 2006, 06:00:12 PM
I've got some pretty strange things lurking about in cupboards - but this isn't one of them :lol:   I spotted it in the local charity shop this morning and remembered David's description of intersecting lines/raised dots.  Of course the inscription then clinched it :P  Yay :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 28, 2006, 06:07:06 PM
Ooohhh Anne, that's just too jammy!  :lol:  I trawled all the charity shops in Lancaster today in the hope of finding one... zilch!  

But, I did find an oval shaped Britannia bowl with central hole in frosted pink, a small oblong Dahlia pin tray, and a round Lace pattern plate (teaplate sized) so it wasn't a complete disaster!   :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 28, 2006, 06:11:45 PM
Anne B:
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I spotted it in the local charity shop this morning

Dead Jammy! :twisted: I must come to these Mancunian charity shops!

Anne N:
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But, I did find an oval shaped Britannia bowl with central hole in frosted pink,

That sounds like it should have a metal plinth attached. I've always wondered why these go missing when you'd think the glass would get broken first! :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 28, 2006, 06:18:58 PM
The staff in my local charity shop think I'm quite mad :roll: (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/061.gif)  I got really excited  when I saw the bowl (which only cost 49p). The same thing happened recently when I spotted a Sherdley fruit bowl set too in the same shop.  I'll have to be careful in future.  They might think I know something about the glass that they don't, and might put up the prices :lol:  May be I should approach buying glass in the same way that poker should be played 8)

Your Britannia bowl sounds lovely Anne :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on March 29, 2006, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: "DenCill"
That sounds like it should have a metal plinth attached. I've always wondered why these go missing when you'd think the glass would get broken first! :D


I've always suspected that the metal goes rusty or miscoloured so are removed. Of course, it could also be a change in taste / fashion thing as well as stands went out of fashion they were removed.  :idea:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 29, 2006, 05:38:53 PM
I think you are right Anne.  I've got some Bagley pieces in their original metal holders which have become tarnished and discoloured.  Also, the glass has become discoloured as a result in places, and there are scratches on the glass, most probably caused by the inserts being constantly taken out and replaced after cleaning.  They certainly look more modern without the holders :P  

David - is there a picture of 'Cato' anywhere?  Might be able to spot one if we know what we are looking for :shock:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 29, 2006, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Anne E.B.
David - is there a picture of 'Cato' anywhere?  Might be able to spot one if we know what we are looking for :shock:
Weeeellll... funny you should say that :wink:

I've just got back from Stamford after visiting Maggie and Keith Tyrrell, who are/were avid Chance collectors. They've kindly donated two large boxes of various Chance glass to help me with the book (there, I've said it :lol:) and the remainder can either go to the museum or be sold for charity (Maggie said Acorns was fine). Some very interesting items that I'll be posting over the next few days.

Cato Example (http://www.chanceglass.net/pages_pressed/index.html)

However, Keith has also kindly sent on some photos of a Cato example! If you go to the site and click the 'Cato' link in the menu this will show two shots - you can click on either photo to bring up a larger version. Also there's a photo of two Gossamer dishes; one green and one clear with gilt rim.

Note the gilt rim and included trails on the Cato. Not sure whether the plines were applied onto the glass, but I suspect so.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on March 29, 2006, 07:23:55 PM
Aah!  I've never seen that design before.  Just wondered if the Gossamer decoration was applied in the same way too?  

Out of the 'book case' at last :lol:  8) (http://www.smileys.ws/smls/grinning/00000045.gif)

Look forward to seeing new items in coming days.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on April 02, 2006, 03:24:04 PM
I've uploaded a few new variants on several patterns, including two celery vases in Spiderweb and Waverley, a green Britannia De Lux, and new items for Lancer and Lotus.

Go http://www.chanceglass.net and browse!

Also some new shapes for the Fiestaware patterns.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on April 02, 2006, 04:54:52 PM
Its looking fab :P   The green Gossamer (pinched rim) is a real surprise.  Is it 'milk glass'?   The handkerchief bowl section looks really colourful 8)

I've got a tall  lab. glass (Arthur Percy - Gullaskruf shape) that has "P.H. & CO" etched on it.  Just wondered if this might be a Hysil one?  Do you know if the one you show is marked in the same way, as well as having its label?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on April 02, 2006, 05:03:29 PM
Anne, sadly the green Gossamer is not mine (I still don't own one) and just realised I didn't credit either bowl properly – yours is the clear one! However, the uploading of my web files is incredibly slow ATM, so I'll sort this once I've contacted my ISP.

But most of Chance 'coloured' glass is actually enamel coated, including the Britannia range with the coloured inserts, so I suspoect this is the same. Chance didn't go in for coloured glass much! :D

Not sure about your lab flask. Trouble is there were quite a few competitors for this market segment; Sherdley in St. Helens and I think Dema as well. The one I show is at Smethwick Heritage Centre unfortunately.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 02, 2006, 10:34:11 AM
Another Gossamer bowl, bought this morning.  May be part of a fruit set? 3½" high x 8" diameter.  
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/e17d440c.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc539.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc543.jpg
I can re-do pics. if necessary. :P
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 02, 2006, 11:20:52 AM
:D:twisted::D

Last week I bought a small pressed glass tumbler in a charity shop, where the lady is convinced I know all sorts of things (well I suppose I know SOME things) and she charged me £1.50 for it. It was something they would normally charge 10p for. I thought it might be Gossamer, but I don't think it actually is. Your pictures seem to show that there is a small blob at the intersection of the criss-crosses. This tumbler does not have this. It's nothing of any interest at all, I strongly suspect!
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 02, 2006, 04:18:50 PM
Anne: Many thanks, this is a new shape to me – duly noted :D The photos look fine, but I'll let you know if any more are required.

I'd agree that it does look part of a fruit set.

Sue: The Gossamer design is proud of the surface (embossed, if you like) and quite fine, so if it's like this it might be Gossamer — see Anne's third photo as you can see it clearly here.

A tiny blob is noted on each intersection but I'm not sure if this was carried through to all shapes. Buy Now Regret Later?  :wink:

If you can manage a photo sometime I'd like to see it.  8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 02, 2006, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
I've got a tall lab. glass (Arthur Percy - Gullaskruf shape) that has "P.H. & CO" etched on it.

After all this time, it finally clicked: Philip Harris & Co. :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on May 02, 2006, 05:22:18 PM
I went charity shopping today (found a place where there are about 12 charity shops all together...heaven!!  lol)

This is my haul... £4!

(http://i2.tinypic.com/x1znuq.jpg)

Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 06, 2006, 04:40:26 PM
Just found my Britannia De Luxe all-over frosted bowl that I previously mentioned back in Feb.  Possibly part of a fruit set - 4¾" diam. x 2" high - metal rim.  This has a curious pink tinge to it.  Unlike the sugar bowl and jug pics. that I submitted, this bowl doesn't have a rim/foot. :P  Unless its a trick of the light, it could well have 'Chance' on the inside bottom. :shock:   That would be a more likely place of putting it because of the patterned exterior.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc586.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc588.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 06, 2006, 10:31:34 PM
Hi Anne,

Thanks for this. I have already got a photo of one this size having a silver rim, but not the pink colour.

The pink is actually an exterior enamel coating that, as Anne (Yobunny) will testify, will come off if you're too vigorous with the cleaning! However, one is shown on the site that is pretty much intact.

Now, this raises a slight query: the "De Lux" range were supposed to be those items with coloured inserts (see examples on the site). But did this range also cover those with an all-over colouring?

But personally with it having a silver rim, I'd think this was more likely to be used as a sugar bowl rather than from a fruit set.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on May 06, 2006, 10:38:19 PM
The pink tinge is like the one on my plate and bowl Anne. Beware it does scrub off though - my plate is now no longer pink!   :roll:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 09, 2006, 12:27:15 PM
David - here's a Dahlia pattern tear-drop (?) shape bowl. Gilt edge. 29cm long x 17cm at widest x 3cm high.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc605.jpg
 :wink:

Anne - the pink tinged bowl appears to have lost most of its colour apart from just underneath the metal rim where it looks unsightly.  Not dish washer proof either I bet :?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 09, 2006, 12:41:15 PM
Thanks, Anne. Super photo and one of the less common shapes.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on May 09, 2006, 03:32:44 PM
I have a pink bowl as well which had a stand fitted and where the stand would have been the colour is quite dark, but everywhere else it's faded a lot, so I think just normal washing has had an effect. This theory may also be supported by a green Waverley bowl with the same finish I found which was really really dirty but having washed it carefully I find the green is almost perfect!  :roll:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 22, 2006, 10:11:54 AM
David - a 9" diameter "Canterbury" - turquoise, with fluted gilt edge.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc809.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 22, 2006, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
David - a 9" diameter "Canterbury" - turquoise, with fluted gilt edge.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc809.jpg

Yes, that's the Canterbury pattern. Well found: they aren't that common.

Erm... not pressed glass though :wink:  :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on May 25, 2006, 06:44:24 PM
Hi all   :D

I bought this today.  Apologies if someone's already questioned this style -there's too much here to trawl back thru!  :shock:  :shock:


http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2059

Looks like Chance, but is it?  Divided dish, medium/large size.  Will get measurements if it helps.  :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne on May 25, 2006, 07:40:47 PM
Think so Max. It's the divided version of mine here:
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-764
Does the size match mine? Size: 256 mm x 155 mm
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on May 25, 2006, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: "Anne"
Think so Max. It's the divided version of mine here:
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-764
Does the size match mine? Size: 256 mm x 155 mm


Thanks Anne!   :D

Mine's the same length, but slightly wider at 170mm.  I think they must have been a bit meaner with the nibbles in those days...lol The compartments wouldn't fit many peanuts in!  :P  :lol:

Cheers for looking at yours for me. x
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on May 25, 2006, 08:35:12 PM
Hi Max/Anne,

Yes, definitely the Britannia pattern. Only thing is, there might have originally been four removable inserts.

Following is a link to a photo of a circular divided dish that shows five inserts (four quadrants and a circular central one), scanned from the 1951 book, Mirror for Chance.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2060
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on May 25, 2006, 08:46:09 PM
Quote
Yes, definitely the Britannia pattern. Only thing is, there might have originally been four removable inserts.


I can see what you mean, but I doubt it.  :?  If there were too, then the nut-capacity would be even smaller!  :lol:  

Ooh and the sides of each section are sloping, so I think (dare I be definite?  Nooo! lol) that inserts wouldn't fit.  :idea:  :?
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 01, 2006, 03:22:26 PM
More variations to be added to the different sizes. Found a Spiderweb set in blue frosting today. Large bowl, gilt edge, two rows of frosting 9.25 x 3.25 in plus six matching small bowls 4.75 x 1.75 in. Last week found a medium bowl in clear plus four small bowls. Click to enlarge
Large (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0519.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0519.jpg) small (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0525.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0525.jpg)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 01, 2006, 03:43:18 PM
Well done Christine: I think this is the last coloured example I needed :D

They also look to be in pretty good condition as the gilt is normally quite worn from use. 8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 01, 2006, 06:53:07 PM
They're pretty good. A little roughness on the edges and a couple of chips on the inner of the foot on the large bowl but the gilt is great
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 10, 2006, 07:43:26 PM
Tonight I saw and handled my first piece of Orlak! :shock:  :D  8)

Because the only prior reference was oven-to-tableware, having a slight orange tinge, I was quite taken aback. I knew Chance also produced this range as tableware, but this was a clear glass tumbler, quite thin, measuring about 6" (15cm) with an interesting optic effect - like tiny pinches - that makes it look a little like optic-ribbed. BTW, there's no mistaking this ID as it has a quite large acid-etched 'ORLAK' logo on the base - suddenly everyone's an expert! :D  

The good news is that I'm OK to take photographs and the owner is quite local (and a Chance collector!)

Sadly, they saw the protrusion in my jacket pocket as I walked out of the door... :roll:  :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on July 17, 2006, 01:45:13 PM
David - Spider web creamer/small jug - clear - 3¼" high.  :wink:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/chance004-1.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 17, 2006, 03:51:47 PM
Many thanks for the Spiderweb creamer photo, Anne! :D

I've now posted the Orlak photos - sorry, forgot to mention it earlier :oops:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on July 17, 2006, 06:11:21 PM
What a surprise!  Never seen anything like that on my travels - oven or tableware.  I've lost count of the number of pyrex type ovenware pieces that I've broken or thrown away over the years because constant use has made them look tatty (all those burnt puddings :roll: ).  

Will look out for any Orlak now I know what they look like 8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Max on July 17, 2006, 08:14:27 PM
I don't think I've ever seen Orlak either.  It's like a fabulous cheap treasure hunt isn't it?!  Great fun!   :D  :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 17, 2006, 08:47:13 PM
I personally think Orlak will prove to be the zenith of every Chance collector.

Please also note that the example shown on the web site isn't a common piece. The sprayed enamel decoration certainly isn't the norm and could either be experimental, a test run or short production run. Trouble is there's so little about it's hard to form an opinion.

When I have photoed the tumbler you'll see how diverse Orlak was. This is quite thin with small 'outdents' around the body. Think it was probably mould-blown and the logo (which I assume is featured on every piece) is either sand-blasted or acid-etched, whereas on the plate and ovenware it is part of the mould and around 1" (25mm) in diameter, so quite large and easy to spot.

Happy hunting! 8)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 18, 2006, 06:23:46 AM
Oh dear! Now I have to look at 'Pyrex' stuff in all those grotty house clearance boxes. When you mentioned sunken handles I thought I'd got a piece but it's Phoenix. Interestingly the Phoenix has been stamped in the mould mirror image and the Made in England the right way round! :shock:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 20, 2006, 07:44:24 AM
Ah yes, Phoenix is very close in style - they even produced octagonal shapes, I believe :wink: I imagine they gained some inspiration from Chance shapes as they started producing c.1935

The 'Orlak' logo does show correctly as you view from the top (reverse when looking at the base).
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 23, 2006, 01:29:21 PM
Another Spiderweb shape found today. A footed grapefruit  bowl like the tall sundae dish. Pic to follow.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 23, 2006, 01:33:45 PM
Ah thanks. I was aware of this shape but would appreciate a decent photo :)

No Orlak though! :(
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 25, 2006, 10:20:35 PM
New items posted on the site - all links available to the respective pages from the homepage:

Orlak Tumbler - mould-blown, 'diamond' optic-ribbed. Sand-blasted logo (thought I was right)

Swirl 'Handkerchief' bowl! Well, a sugar bowl with pinched sides... :roll:

Britannia 'Kidney' dish. Not 100% convinced it is Chance. The 'ovals' are actually protruding and the weight of glass doesn't feel quite right.

Lance Tankard (from House of Parliament!). Metal hinged lid with embossed design.

Spiderweb in Amethyst! This is self-coloured glass and NOT enamel sprayed. First I've seen like this.

I'll take my light along next time and they should look better. There's a lot more from this contact (Mark Bird at Earlybirds) and I'll post more information when time permits.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on July 30, 2006, 11:21:33 AM
David - Spiderweb goblet 5½" high.  Design continues on base.  Wonder if there was a decanter to go with it originally?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Spiderwebgoblet.jpg
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 30, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
Interesting. I recently got outbid for one of these and it was described as a sundae glass – would this be a more fitting description, do you think?

I've come across small jugs, but not anything larger yet. I would imagine a larger jug is a possibility though. Thanks for the photo!
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Anne E.B. on July 30, 2006, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: "DenCill"
Interesting. I recently got outbid for one of these and it was described as a sundae glass – would this be a more fitting description, do you think?


Wouldn't hold enough icecream for me :lol:  It is quite heavy though (over 300g) and sturdy - not easy to knock over.  The diam. opening is 7cm.  I reckon you could be right, but as I say, I like my icecream in a BIG sundea glass :wink:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on July 30, 2006, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
Quote from: "DenCill"
...described as a sundae glass – would this be a more fitting description, do you think?


Wouldn't hold enough icecream for me :lol:

No, I don't think 2 litre stemmed bowls were in vogue during the 1950s :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 13, 2006, 09:31:17 AM
Today's find is a milk jug in gossamer. :D
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0572.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0572.jpg)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on August 13, 2006, 04:23:07 PM
Thanks Christine: first I've seen like this  :shock:  Can you provide dimensions please?

Great find!  :)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 13, 2006, 04:42:32 PM
Dimensions are 4 3/8 inches (11 cm) max height. 3 inches diameter, 4 5/8 inches (11.5 cm), nose to tail. Would you like it for the collection? It has about 4/5 small nibbles (max. 2mm) round the inner rim and was purchased specially ( I would have left it otherwise). No obligation of course.
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 28, 2006, 01:46:48 PM
Another variation on the Spider web theme - a 5-in celery with  a new lid varaition

(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0596.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0596.jpg)
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on August 28, 2006, 01:56:07 PM
You have been busy: another variation I haven't seen before :shock:

Now, how do I get to Warrington car-boot fairs...  :lol:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on August 28, 2006, 01:59:54 PM
Christine, can I trouble you to mail me the full-size photo please? Thanks.

Also the Cut Pearl and Blossom hors d'ouevres platter.  :D
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 09, 2008, 03:28:16 PM
 :sleep:

Boo! :o

Thought I'd wake this thread up... :angel:
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 09, 2008, 03:42:38 PM
Lots words (and emails) under the bridge since then!!
Title: Re: Chance Pressed Glass Patterns
Post by: David E on March 09, 2008, 04:16:07 PM
Very true, but still more to come. I have since found new Spiderweb patterns, for example, but will post these on the amendment lists (for book purchaers only).