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Title: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Tim on October 27, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
Hi, can someone enlighten me as to the truth behind a statement that I read recently, that all Sklo Union Bullet vases by Rudolf Schrotter (1955) have slight fractures around the 4 faces near the top of the vase as a result of the manufacturing process?
Many thanks Tim
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Tinker-Taylor on October 28, 2009, 11:07:10 AM
Looking at mine, I can see a vertical line on each face towards the top of the vase.  I have no idea of the manufacturing process, but would say that they are not cracks and are more like seams.  I am only able to feel them on the inside of the vase in all four cases, which would not be so with cracks.

Stu.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 28, 2009, 11:27:40 AM
They are press moulded so they will have seams.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Tim on October 28, 2009, 11:48:23 AM
Hi, now you mention it that makes perfect sense, thanks for taking the time to answer my inane query.
Many thanks Tim
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Tinker-Taylor on October 28, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
I didn't think it was inane at all.  It made me have a really close look at one of my favourite vases, which is always a pleasure.  Keep a look out for my posts if you would like to delve into real banality.   :24:

All the best,
Stu.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 07:31:00 AM
I think I'm a bit confused as to what is a 'seam' and what is a 'fracture'.  Tim talks about what he thinks are fractures on the 4 faces of the vase...  As it is a pressed piece, they could very well be the seams (as he's told)...  and here is my problem:   

Yesterday, I was lucky enough to get my hands on an amethyst 915/200 vase.  I can see two clear seam lines going down opposite sides of the vase (not on the lens or face, but on the corner -- see 2nd picture).  These seam lines cannot be felt from the inside, only from the outside.

There is also what I believe to be a 'fracture' on each face, beginning approximately 1cm below the rim, moving down towards the bottom of the lens.  These lines are not uniform -- each differs from the next as to position and curve. (See pictures 3 and 4 for examples.)

Could Tim have been right?  As they appear on the faces, perhaps they are fractures and not seams.  (By the way, the 'fractures' in my piece can be felt on the inside.) 

One more question:  Was the bullet vase formed using a 2-part mould?

Thank you -- especially for you patience with me  :-[.
 
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 20, 2010, 08:36:32 AM
I can't see anything, but they may be annealing marks, which are OK and appear in a lot of pressed glass. Don't forget the design might be good but the quality wasn't always so hot and quality standards weren't as high as they are now.

I think most Sklo Union products used two parts moulds as they were cheaper. Marcus discusses it in the book somewhere. Seams from two part moulds are symmetrical on symmetrical items such as these.

If your marks are fractures, they will be two dimensional, i.e., you will be able to see the surface line and (and you may need to look from different angles) you will see the line where it goes trough the glass as a definite plane. The edge you can feel will be sharp. Annealing marks have rounded edges.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 09:00:22 AM
Thank you for taking the time to respond, Christine  :)

I've taken a closer look at the vase.  I think the lines, in my case, are definitely fractures.  Though I can feel them on the inside, I've just realized that they can also be felt, very, very lightly, on the outside. Also, when I hold the vase up at an angle, 2 lines/fractures appear (it is the same line, but looks like 2 due to the thickness of the glass).  This 'effect' appears on all 4 sides.

Looks like I've bought yet another damaged piece.  :'(   It's such a shame because the vase, otherwise, is in perfect condition -- not even a fleabite on the base or rim.  

Woe is me.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 20, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
Sounds like stress fractures. We all do it. I bought a beautiful piece of carnival glass (cheap in a charity shop) with really good iridescence and about six stress fractures, so I discovered several months later.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 09:26:39 AM
Unfortunately, I don't handle damage very well...   :spls:

To make matters worse, I paid 51zl for it (about 10 pounds).  Not so cheap if you ask me.   :hb2:


I need a piece of chocolate...  or a hug... or better yet, a new undamaged piece of 'old' glass to add to my collection...   :usd:
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: px on August 20, 2010, 10:05:20 AM
HA ! Very interesting! I took a very close look to my 2 Shrötter lense vases too and yes!
Both have these certain vertical lines going down, not the corner but the lens face and on the inside.
Although they go down a little randomly curved - not straight vertically,  they don't look like "fractures" in my eyes...? (this is word I knew  but still checked it in the dictionary it means something that is broken, right?) That is I don't think they are, but how would I know.  :-[

Still, I would guess it has to do with the process of making ?

Oops, and only now I read Christine already explained us about the annealing marks.
Anik ? are you sure, I hope your are wrong anyway,  (sorry  :kissy: ) and that your vase is not going to fall apart. There aren't any cracks going through the glass....?
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Oh, how I do wish to be wrong!  (At least on this occassion  :).)

My 'lines' also go down in a randomly curved fashion, and they begin about 1 cm from the top.  The vase doesn't look like it's about to fall apart.  BUT, if I look ever so closely, I can see these same lines on the outside of the piece... and I can feel them, though they are extremely subtle. 

Maybe I can convince myself that they are annealing marks... 

Yes, I'm feeling much better now.  "Annealing marks" it is.  ;D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 20, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
I've just felt my stress cracks and I can only feel the crack with my finger nail in one direction on any side. Cracks are always slightly angled; not perpendicular to the plane of the glass. Like this http://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/faults/normal/index.htm
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Nemmie on August 20, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
I have 13 and they all have these marks which must be part of the manufacturing process. I can feel them all on the inside and I can see how they might be thought of as fractures but I am pretty sure they aren't.

I always thought of them as mould lines but annealing marks works for me although I am still not sure exactly what that means. :)

Well done on finding a purple one, I am still missing this colour but I did find a large Vizner vase today which has made me happy.



Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 01:11:55 PM
I went back to my vase to see if I really can feel the 'fracture' on the outside part...  I can, but only at the very top, and in both directions...   :huh:  

I checked my two 150mm vases and both suffer from the same 'phenomenon', but to lesser degrees as I cannot feel anything on the outside.  Perhaps these lines really are simply part of the manufacturing process, and not what we would necessarily classify as a fracture or crack.

Terrible shame that I ate all that chocolate...  :spls:...


P.S.  Nemmie, initially you made my day by saying I've got a colour you don't, despite having 13 vases...  I really don't see why you had to go and ruin it by bragging you found a large Vizner piece  :mrgreen:...  

 ;D






Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Paul S. on August 20, 2010, 01:22:50 PM
As a suggestion, try shining a torch at the suspect area and the light should (if it is a true fracture or break) be refracted at that point throughout the entire thickness of the glass.   of course, if you have more than one of the same kind of vase, then tapping both might provide a different sort of resonance  i.e. the fractured piece giving a duller note that the perfect one.   I have the bullet in blue, clear and amber (I think) and will have a look later today just out of curiosity, but as far as I know, they are all wholesome :)    I should bin yours Anik >:D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Alright, I took my flashlight and shined it at the 'suspect areas'...  I didn't notice any refraction -- then again, I might not exactly know what refraction should look like  ::)...   But I do appreciate the suggestion  :).

By the way, Paul:
... I should bin yours Anik >:D

You know I love it when you talk dirty  ;)
  
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Nemmie on August 20, 2010, 04:07:35 PM

P.S.  Nemmie, initially you made my day by saying I've got a colour you don't, despite having 13 vases...  I really don't see why you had to go and ruin it by bragging you found a large Vizner piece  :mrgreen:...  

 ;D

3236 for £4. Not too bad :). Sorry.

I should also mention that the prominence of the fault in the lens vase does vary from vase to vase that I own. On some it is very pronounced on others I had to look very hard to see it.

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
3236 for £4. Not too bad :). Sorry.

 :o :o :o...   :thud:  That was a fortunate find...  I am jealous.  :)


I should also mention that the prominence of the fault in the lens vase does vary from vase to vase that I own. On some it is very pronounced on others I had to look very hard to see it.

So do you think the lines that go through the lens-part are a 'fault' or just a general quirk resulting from the manufacturing process?  I'm just wondering how we should look upon them.  :huh:

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Nemmie on August 20, 2010, 04:42:35 PM
:o :o :o...   :thud:  That was a fortunate find...  I am jealous.  :)


So do you think the lines that go through the lens-part are a 'fault' or just a general quirk resulting from the manufacturing process?  I'm just wondering how we should look upon them.  :huh:



Part of the character of the piece as they all have it in some form or the other it is an essential part of their make up. I don't think of it was a defect just a slight stray from perfection and nobody or thing is perfect. :)
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 20, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
... and that's what I call a beautiful answer...   My vase does not have a fault, but an 'essential stray from perfection'. 

I am perfectly satisfied with that.  :)

Thank you!
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Cathy B on August 20, 2010, 05:05:24 PM
Over the years, Glen has discussed the different terminologies for the marks to be found on the surface of pressed glass, which have different names depending on how they were formed. They are rarely considered 'flaws' as such. Somewhere there is a post which describes them all, which I can't find off hand, but this thread (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,235.msg826.html#msg826) mentions shear marks (sometimes called straw marks), lap marks and settle waves.

As the mark you're referring to seems to form relatively consistently in the one place, that might suggest a shear mark? I think annealing marks are different again?
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 20, 2010, 05:33:29 PM
Jindrich mentioned that some of the Lens vases (http://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/CzechGlass#5432668535923110994) are prone to spontaneous cracks developing. The stresses that cause them are a result of the variation in thickness and too rapid cooling of the glass during manufacture.

He had a photo of a cracked jardiniere, it was a real horror show. :o

John
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: px on August 20, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
He had a photo of a cracked jardiniere, it was a real horror show. :o

John

Ouch...  :-\  I don't like horror shows.  And I love my Vizner lens vase. So I think - and here's a hint for Anik too: Let's not look too closely for our vases once bought.   :pb:
However -  nice to know that in Schrötter lens vase it seems some kind of marks belong there more or less.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Cathy B on August 20, 2010, 06:56:09 PM
Hmmm. Here's one thread where John & Jindrich discuss the issue, but I can't find the pic of the jardinier.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26574.msg146128.html#msg146128

A stress fracture would be considered damage though, wouldn't it, unlike shear and annealing marks?
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 20, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
Sorry Cathy, you were on a wild goose chase looking for the photo on the board.

A stress fracture is serious damage, not as bad as in two or more pieces though...... :'(

Mould marks, bubbles, small flaws, etc are often a feature of Sklo Union production, they are to be expected. It was just the way they were made, the finished quality varies widely.

John
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: px on August 21, 2010, 05:13:00 AM
By the way, and idea: it would be nice if someone would have the time to  start a thread and take pictures of these different kinds of flaws one might encounter in glass. The terminology is not always that clear, especially for us who don't have English as the first language.
I mean what does a "chip",  "flea bite" , "mould mark" or "annealing mark" etc look like.
You see them sometimes in ebay ads but still if I know there's a flaw in my vase and I should describe it then it's harder that way.

I think when the object lies on the table in "two or more pieces" wouldn't have to be pictured.  :-\
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Paul S. on August 21, 2010, 07:49:58 AM
just had a look at my three 'bullets', and they all show, to a greater or lesser extent, these lines which appear to start at the top and run down thru the lens.  Most can be felt on the inside only, but on one example the line can be detected on the outside, just.  They vary from being almost impercetable to blindingly obvious - although on my pieces certainly none is a fracture.   My colours are clear, teal (?) and citrine.   From what I can see, there appears no disturbance of the glass within its thickness.
Think I would have to discount Cathy's comment that these.....'might suggest a shear mark?' :)  -  but what would help is if someone can state how the internal cavity is produced  -  i.e. piston plunger - compressed air etc., because I feel that is the source of these marks  -  in other words they are being transferred from some part of the moulding process, in this instance.     
John has commented, quite rightly, on the extent of the finish quality on Sko Union pressed glass, and I notice surprisingly that whilst two of mine have the mould seams on opposite corners (as you would expect), my citrine piece appears to have been fire polished to the extend that these have been removed completely.
Nice idea px - to standardize these faults such as flea bites, mould marks etc.etc.. but you're on to a loser - too subjective - can't see people ever agreeing on what might constitute the size of a flea bite or whether something was an annealing mark or something else - just look at ebay :)    For what it's worth I can see the marks on the amethyst 915/200 piece, and this is typical of how the mark appears on my pieces. 




Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 21, 2010, 07:53:46 AM
A 'flea bite' is just a chip, it's an expression that some sellers use to make the damage sound smaller or less serious.

Here are a few photos of a stress crack, an air bubble, a chip and what I think of as 'straw marks'.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 21, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
John, I don't agree that a 'flea bite' and a 'chip' can be considered the same type of damage...  My understanding of a flea bite is damage which is so minuscule, it cannot be measured though it is visible (Photo 1).  A chip is a substantial, measurable piece of glass which is missing (Photo 2).  

I support px's idea of having an easily accessible area/thread which names, explains and shows different phenomena appearing in glass.  As I am new to the glass collecting world, my knowledge and understanding of glass-related vocabulary is limited.   And I really don't think turning to ebay to improve our glass-related vocabulary is the answer -- half (if not more) of what you read on these on-line auction sites is a bunch of bull.  

Proof?  My amethyst bullet vase was listed as a "Rare inter-war Murano vase in perfect condition".   ;)

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: px on August 21, 2010, 11:37:38 AM
Thank you John ! And Anik, of those pictures !  :)

Although being on the losing side (thanks Paul S.  ;) ) for my linguistic handicap as well as lack of experience in this field I still think these pictures and discussion already have helped me a lot.   :hiclp: Telling newbies about it being wise to use some consideration as there may be different views for how to interprete certain flaw describing words is not actually harmful ?

Oh, for example like my opinion of what a "flea bite" is nearer to Anik's.  As I thought it would be just a small needle mark type of a small dot for example if the object has hit something pointy or a corner etc. Never a missing piece = "chip". But - as noted, an eager seller might want to belittle a flaw.

However, just a list of the words or terms helps a foreigner like me. But like I said, those pictures of suggestions what the words would apply to is just perfect!

Ha, Anik, thanks for the laugh! "Rare inter-war Murano...."  ;D   
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anne on August 21, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
By the way, and idea: it would be nice if someone would have the time to  start a thread and take pictures of these different kinds of flaws one might encounter in glass.

There's been an album in GlassGallery awaiting just such input for a while:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=638

To those who don't know, GlassGallery is the board's dedicated image hosting where we can collect such information in an easy to find format, rather than having to search thousands of posts for it here on the board itself.

It needs a separate registration (which needs activating by me manually to prevent rogue signups/spammers etc posting images we don't want to see!) so once you register give me a short time to pick up that you have done and activate you. I normally check the user list there 2-3 times per day for activations.

There is also a comprehensive walk through of how to sign up, create your own albums if you want to, and add images to your own or the community / open albums:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=638 - shout if you get stuck!
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Paul S. on August 21, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
to quote Anik R....'half (if not more) of what you read on these on-line auction sites is a bunch of bull'.  
That was my whole point :).....I was being cynical and drawing attention to the fact that you only have to look at ebay to see the myriad of personal interpretations that people make, to realize that trying to standardize this terminology is nigh on impossible.    Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. :)  Of course, in general GMB members are genuine enough to be honest and truthful with their descriptions, and hopefully wouldn't exagerate - and px I have nothing but admiration for your linguistic skills - your English is exceptional.   Having looked at John's pics., I would agree with his description of each fault, except the use of the words 'straw marks' - since they proabably have zero to do with straw, and therefore we should use another word/s.  Annealing fault/shrinkage lines/mould marks??   someone please???    Having said that, I'm sure someone will tell me that historically they were caused by straw :D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 21, 2010, 12:37:21 PM
Whoops, I had not noticed the "flaws in glass" album Anne, I will add these photos and we can always remove them when better examples turn up.

A chip is a chip is a chip, regardless of it's size, if there is a bit of glass missing that has broken off after an impact then it is a chip (as far as I am concerned). You can have big chips and little chips, hey, you can have medium sized chips if you want. Do I sound well balanced? Must be because I have chips on both shoulders. ;D

I think the mark made by an impact when a would be chip does not actually separate from the rest of the glass is sometimes referred to as a bruise, not 100% sure everyone means the same thing though when they use the term.....

Paul, shrinkage marks would do for me too, they are caused (I think) by the hot glass cooling on contact with a cold mould (or plunger). The surface of the glass therefor cools and is more viscous and so does not flow as it might, causing these little 'folds' in the surface. Assuming I am not barking up the wrong tree yet again.

John
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 21, 2010, 12:42:42 PM
Straw marks have nothing to do with straw; glass hot enough to mark would turn straw to charcoal in seconds.

If they are in the base of an item, they are shear marks and result from the shears being used to cut off the gob of pressed glass being cool. Consequently, you get a line of cooler glass in your lump and the line remains when the item is pressed.

Sometimes you get little channels that you can put your finger nail in. Not sure what causes these, but perhaps a draught during annealing or a cooler spot in the mould during pressing. Whatever they are, they were formed while the glass was hot because they are not sharp.

I think slight temperature uneveness in the glass gob perhaps results in the faint ripples you get. Uneven cooling would also explain why the bases on mould-blown items ripple sometimes. I'm not talking much in the way of temperature difference, because it wouldn't take much.

There are a lot of variables in hand pressing or hand blowing glass.

John seems to be agreeing with me.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 21, 2010, 02:00:46 PM
I have always assumed straw marks were these 'cooling lines' or ripples but may well be mixing up my terms.

This photo shows these cooling lines much better, they are on this Hoglund animal (http://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/ErikHoglund#5461848353662721074), behind the left eye. These Boda figures are cast and not pressed but the way these lines form is a result of the same process.

Shear marks are also quite common on Sklo Union production around the rims of vases, they can look like very fine (sometimes black) lines on the surface of the glass (right on the top of the rim).
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Cathy B on August 22, 2010, 03:14:31 AM
John, I think the marks you've shown are lap marks? if you scroll back to my last post and click on the link, Glen has given a definition of these (describing them as looking like a mark on an apple left by a fingernail).
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: langhaugh on August 22, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Anik:

Knowing your stance on imperfect glass, I know all you can do now is donate the imperfect pieces to an imperfect collector. As the prime candidate for such a position, may I send you my postal address?


Now I'm off to Czech my Schrötter vases. Later: they may be small, but they are unblemished.

David
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 22, 2010, 05:50:17 AM
Ha!  David, fortunately I've come to terms with the 'slight stray from perfection' found in most of the 914 vases...  Plus, my amethyst 20cm vase is absolutely perfect in every other aspect... not even a flea bite on it.  ;D

So you go Czech your Schrotter vases...  Czech them very closely...  and let me know if you need a strong shoulder to cry on.   :usd:
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: langhaugh on August 22, 2010, 05:57:34 AM
That shoulder, it seems, would be my own.

Your heartless creature.

David

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: antiquerose123 on August 22, 2010, 06:00:09 AM

I think when the object lies on the table in "two or more pieces" wouldn't have to be pictured.  :-\

  Just for px:   

Broken =  two or more pieces; as in Broken Glass

 :24: :24: :24: ---->  :-\ --->  :'(  --> :cry: -> :thud: .......

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 22, 2010, 06:04:38 AM
Looks like someone went a little overboard with caressing her glass...  :wsh:

P.S. I heard David has got a good strong shoulder to cry on...  >:D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: antiquerose123 on August 22, 2010, 06:08:30 AM
Looks like someone went a little overboard with caressing her glass...  :wsh:

Yes I was being an * glass  *               :24:            >:D         ;D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 22, 2010, 06:23:12 AM
Poor Rose...  :'(

Not good.  Not good at all.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: antiquerose123 on August 22, 2010, 06:42:53 AM
Poor Rose...  :'(

Not good.  Not good at all.

....and I never even got an ID on it  :cry: :cry:  :24:  It's wings were *clipped*

Back on Track ----> I will have to take a good look at my Bullet Vase too
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: px on August 22, 2010, 07:11:01 AM
 Just for px:    

Broken =  two or more pieces; as in Broken Glass

Like in "Walking on Broken Glass" ?   :thup:  Rose, are you going to add your poor bird picture to the gallery  ;D

..... they don't look like "fractures" in my eyes...? (this is word I knew  but still checked it in the dictionary it means something that is broken, right?) That is I don't think they are, but how would I know.  :-[

I see I should have said that I thought "fracture" is something that looks like if it is  "about to be broken" ? Meaning that the crack is through the glass in both surfaces....  (trying to learn some accuracy in English.  :-\ Thanks for helping. I love this thread!

Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 22, 2010, 12:15:46 PM
Fracture (noun) means either a crack or a break (New Oxford Dictionary of English). A crack is something that could result in a break.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Paul S. on August 29, 2010, 05:51:11 PM
wasn't really going to drag this one on but..............found my first 200mm example in blue this morning, and yes, it does have these same odd lines down from the top onto the lens area.    It really is most odd that both sizes should have the same type of fault.   Maybe something to do with the fact that this pattern (in both sizes) is produced with unusually thick glass, and it's this that's causing the problem.
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: Anik R on August 29, 2010, 06:10:40 PM
... and it's this that's causing the problem.

Oh Paul... tsk, tsk, tsk!  It is not a 'problem' but, in Nemmie's wise words, an essential part of the bullet vase's make up -- just a slight stray from perfection.   ;D
Title: Re: Fractures on the 4 faces of Schrotter's Sklo Bullet Vases?
Post by: antiquerose123 on August 29, 2010, 09:35:41 PM
Hi --
Like in "Walking on Broken Glass" ?   :thup:  Rose, are you going to add your poor bird picture to the gallery  ;D


I guess I could -- as he is without flight now -- but I guess still worthy to know what he *might have been* so that Ducky can have a proper *Headstone*

 :24: :24: :24:

As for the topic of this post --- I took a look at my bullet vase.  I can not see anything, or feel anything with my finger nail either.  So I can not feel any fractures, or anything on my vase.  So might not have any ????????????