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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on January 29, 2012, 09:17:12 PM
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just for show really - another one from this morning, and although it does carries the Rd. No., I had recently spotted it in the books anyway, so was aware of its provenance etc. Four mould seams, and quite a sharp outline to the design. 2.75" - 70mm tall, and the No. reads 711837 - first registered on 19th March 1925. This No. was registered at the same time, apparently, as 711836 - one for the shape perhaps, and the other for the design - possibly ?? When do people think its production might have ceased.
P.S. According to the book, this British example is allegedly a possible copy of an earlier design from Vallerysthal.
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Also discussed on GMB at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,14527.msg92960.html#msg92960 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,14527.msg92960.html#msg92960)
Fred.
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Now an example in flint glass.
(Permission for the re-use of this image on GMB granted by kandv4).
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Now an example in bright blue glass.
(Permission for the re-use of the images on the GMB granted by Lynne Clark).
Lynne has directed me to a very similar opalescent blue Vallerystahl example on Pamela’s site at
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/misc/06750.jpg (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/misc/06750.jpg)
though the bird seems to be distinctly a hen (with a small hen’s comb) rather than a chick.
Pamela also shows some opalescent white examples at
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/misc/06749.jpg (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/misc/06749.jpg)
where the bird seems to have no comb, and is more like a chick. The top of these examples is toothed, though (compared to the smooth top to the IBC cups and the opalescent blue Vallerystahl cup).
Pamela references these Vallerystahl egg cups to page 242 of the 1907 Vallerystahl catalogue at
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Vallerysthal-1907.189+B6YmFja1BJRD0xODkmcHJvZHVjdElEPTc5MTMmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTg5JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Vallerysthal-1907.189+B6YmFja1BJRD0xODkmcHJvZHVjdElEPTc5MTMmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTg5JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html)
where the cup (with smooth top and hen’s comb) is shown as pattern no. 3957.
Could it be that IBC registered the Vallerystahl design in Britain in 1925 and either bought the Vallerystahl moulds or perhaps subcontracted out the manufacture to them using modified moulds?
Interestingly, IBC's "hen on a basket" dish RD 706065 (registered on 6 June 1924) has many similarities to the marked Vallerystahl example shown by Pamela at
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/deckeldosen/08341.jpg (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/deckeldosen/08341.jpg)
(though again, there are lots of differences of detail).
(Permission for the re-use of the IBC “hen on basket” image granted by bengeworth-crew).
Fred