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Title: thousand windows
Post by: Ivo on November 02, 2005, 07:39:51 AM
<The pictures have vanished, and may be replaced at a later date>

To the left a "tusen fönster" vase from Simon Gate/ Orrefors. To the right something that looks very much like it, except for a slightly different angle in the horizontal mitre and a vertical hatch across it.

Needless to say, the maker forgot to sign it.  :(

Ever seen such a blatant rip-off before?
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Frank on November 02, 2005, 08:33:36 AM
But, is it a rip off or inspired by... considering the distinctions you make :?:
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 08:48:25 AM
it's a beauty, nice crystal, well finished and very inspired  :D
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Ivo on November 04, 2005, 10:34:33 AM
(http://tinypic.com/fbf2qc.jpg)

Same picture with another inspired item I found this week - this time it is pressed glass, with a neatly finished bottom ring. I am hoping Marcus might recognise it...
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Max on November 04, 2005, 11:50:17 AM
Ivo, I thought you might like to see this lovely Whitefriars crystal vase,
it measures 10" in height.  It's quite unusual.  I bought it about two months ago.  :D


(http://tinypic.com/fbfcz8.jpg)
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Ivo on November 07, 2005, 07:49:27 AM
Nice one, Lady  - looks very much like the Odyssey and Cosmos ranges from Val St. Lambert. But then, I think if you give 1000 art students a piece of paper and a pencil and say "now draw me a cut glass vase" you'd get at least half a dozen identical ones, unprompted. Maybe an interesting experiment....
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Ivo on November 07, 2005, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: "Max"
Ivo, I thought you might like to see this lovely Whitefriars crystal vase, it measures 10" in height.  It's quite unusual.  I bought it about two months ago.  :D


Great find, it is in Nigel's book "Art deco to Post modernism"  described as "heavy vase with vertical & horizontal cuts forming squared surrounding polished lenses", designed by William Wilson, pat. No. C30 and produced 1954 - 1967

but of course you knew all that.
 :)
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Max on November 07, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
Ivo said:

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Great find, it is in Nigel's book "Art deco to Post modernism" described as "heavy vase with vertical & horizontal cuts forming squared surrounding polished lenses", designed by William Wilson, pat. No. C30 and produced 1954 - 1967


That's another book I don't have!   :(   My vase is also in the Lesley Jackson book, described as turn mould-blown.  I really like it, and it was a bit of a bargain.   :wink:  :D
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Post by: Frank on November 07, 2005, 09:36:51 PM
Quite a difference between cut and mould blown!
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Post by: Max on November 07, 2005, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
Quite a difference between cut and mould blown!


Well, that's what the book says  :?  I'm really tired, and stupidly hadn't even given that any consideration as I typed it.   :shock:  When I uploaded this vase to wf.com, the catalogue page I was referred to describes this vase as 'Cut Crystal'.

Duh.  This seems a trifle mad.  Does anyone have the Lesley Jackson book on Whitefriars?  Page 132, bottom right.  Am I misreading, or am I losing my marbles?
Title: thousand windows
Post by: KevinH on November 08, 2005, 12:13:47 AM
Whitefriars GLASS Tha Art of James Powell & Sons edited by Lesley Jackson, page 132, plate 137, Vase iv) ...

There could be some cofusion as the general description for plate 137 states:
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Cut vases and bowl designed by ... etc.
and the description for vase iv) states:
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Vase, flint, produced in two sizes ... etc
Neither of these descriptions gives the "turn mould-blown" detail, which is almost lost in the general wording.

So, Max, you're not losing your marbles. I think some folk may have missed the "hiidden" text.
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Cathy B on November 08, 2005, 05:53:21 AM
Quote from: "KevH"
Whitefriars GLASS Tha Art of James Powell & Sons edited by Lesley Jackson, page 132, plate 137, Vase iv) ...

There could be some cofusion as the general description for plate 137 states:
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Cut vases and bowl designed by ... etc.
and the description for vase iv) states:
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Vase, flint, produced in two sizes ... etc
Neither of these descriptions gives the "turn mould-blown" detail, which is almost lost in the general wording.

So, Max, you're not losing your marbles. I think some folk may have missed the "hiidden" text.


"The vase on the right (iv), designed by William Wilson, is turn mould-blown, and its walls are much thinner." - Third line in the description, so no, you're not going mad, Max (eeeek, Mel Gibson flashback....).

Suggestion: the blank is turn mould-blown, and then cut? Maybe?

Cathy
Title: thousand windows
Post by: Max on November 08, 2005, 09:38:35 AM
Phew.  Thank you Kev and Cathy.  I really didn't know which way was up last night...not sure I do today either.   :(

At least I'm not going totally mad though, that's encouraging!

I'll put an enquiry on wf.com and see whether the Jackson 'hidden text' is wrong, or whether Cathy might be right - that's it's mould blown and cut.

Luckily I like a nice mystery!   :D